Getting to Know You

[cornershop15]

Acknowledging actors and actresses who have gradually become more recogniseable with each viewing

Dedicated to wearysloth, who will undoubtedly find some of the captures useful for his Actors Compendium, and Gerald Lovell, who I know will be on the same wavelength.

This has similarities to three other threads here: http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...se-people.html, http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...there-you.html, and http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...actresses.html. The first two concentrate on Extras, actors who are either seen in the background of a scene or we're only allowed a brief glimpse of amongst the jurors, partygoers, etc. Nearly always in non-speaking roles.

'Unnoticed' is my way of describing those who do get to say a line or two, and are named in the end credits, but whose appearances are so fleeting they're quickly forgotten, until they're screencapped. The examples I have chosen at that thread, and repeated sightings of a number of Extras, made me realise that I hadn't paid as much attention to a film or programme as much I thought. We'll always discover something new if we put our minds to it (which is how those threads for Books, Magazines, Posters, etc. came about).

The actors I have in mind for this thread will have a bit more screen time, elevating them from Unnoticed to Bit Part Players. Sometimes
even a few seconds can make all the difference, preferably with a shot of them on their own. Like Alison Seebohm in The Servant :

Remember her? The lonely Girl in Pub who 'settles' for James Fox and later seen giggling at his drug-fuelled party?

I think I'd recognise Alison easily enough now but two years ago, when I first posted that capture, I had to rely on my screencaps from The Servant and her slightly more fulfilling role in A Hard Day's Night to Get to Know her better (she played Kenneth Haigh's Secretary in the latter). This is what the thread is all about, being able to form a more vivid impression of what some of the 'newer' faces look like.

My first subject is Richard McNeff, an actor who, judging by his filmography, I must have seen several more times than the three appearances I'd like to highlight here. The first time I made a mental note of him was in the B-movie The Painted Smile, in which he played a Police Inspector looking for the missing Liz Fraser:

With his back to camera is unhelpful bookseller Harold Berens, who thinks he's lost a couple of customers
(Ray Smith and David Hemmings)! Only when Richard exits the scene do we get to see the actor full face.

That was all I really knew him from until another screencapping session, this time for The Baron episode The High Terrace (1967), allowed me a more in-depth look at some of the uncredited actors in the pre-credits sequence. A young couple and a policeman witness Jan Holden apparently jumping to her death from Southwark Bridge. I just had a feeling that the anxious copper was Richard McNeff:

And so it proved! Not only did our Gerald confirm it was him, at http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...policemen.html, but so did the actor's son, also called Richard. A pleasant surprise to see him posting here. I submitted his father's name to the illustrious cast on the episode's IMDb page and it was soon accepted

I'd seen the first episode of Special Branch, Troika (1969), a couple of times by then and was aware that Richard played one of the Radio Operators. This was shot on black-and-white video tape, which I've always found a bit creepy (going back to childhood) and difficult to capture. Of the few that I did from his scene with Cockney colleague Ray Barron over the weekend, I'm most pleased with this one:

"What's the schedule?"

Three screencapping sessions over a period of 14 months (The Painted Smile one goes back to December 2009) and they've all helped me recognise Richard McNeff a little better each time. He will be easy to spot when I next see him, in what I don't know. It does seem odd that I've already forgotten his appearance in The Mind of Mr. J. G. Reeder, as a Detective (he played a lot of policeman I've noticed!), and that nothing comes to mind from two viewings of his Callan episode.

The other credits that I have on DVD are an early episode of The Saint called The Fellow Traveller, Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em: The R.A.F. Reunion, and the Armchair Thriller story The Victim, another one I watched just a few months ago. It will be fascinating to discover/be reminded of what he did and I'm very much looking forward to showing you the results.

[theuofc]

Acknowledging actors and actresses who have gradually become more recogniseable with each viewing

Dedicated to wearysloth, who will undoubtedly find some of the captures useful for his Actors Compendium, and Gerald Lovell, who I know will be on the same wavelength.

The actors I have in mind for this thread will have a bit more screen time, elevating them from Unnoticed to Bit Part Players. Sometimes
even a few seconds can make all the difference, preferably with a shot of them on their own. Like Alison Seebohm in The Servant :

Remember her? The lonely Girl in Pub who 'settles' for James Fox and later seen giggling at his drug-fuelled party?

I think I'd recognise Alison easily enough now but two years ago, when I first posted that capture, I had to rely on my screencaps from The Servant and her slightly more fulfilling role in A Hard Day's Night to Get to Know her better (she played Kenneth Haigh's Secretary in the latter). This is what the thread is all about, being able to form a more vivid impression of what some of the 'newer' faces look like.

Congratulations on your interesting new thread, Cornershop. I'm glad you began with the lovely Alison Seebohm, the solitary figure in the pub in The Servant. Her "look" could be dark and mysterious, also perfect for mysteries. Yet, she could have a light ethereal quality, evidenced by this photo taken by cinematographer Bob Martin:



Here's what Martin had to say about working with Alison: "Alison Seebohm was from the very beginning, an enigmatic soul. She was cast along with Maria Perschy, in the film, ‘Ride the High Wind’ a David Millin/20th Century Fox production, which we filmed in the Namib desert.

"She had not been on many pictures, and although stunningly beautiful, and a warm, friendly, fun-loving girl, her significance and presence on the set and in the film, is somehow lost in my memory-mists of time.

"I have however, one memory of her. She had an incredibly beautiful body and as a result, had a penchant for removing her clothes and getting an ‘all-over’ tan, which she told me she had just been doing in the Alps, in the snow, during a recent skiing holiday. I warned her, as did everybody else on the set, that the Namib desert in summer was anything but the Alps. She however, ignored our advice and took herself over behind the huge sand dune we were working on, where she stripped off and for several hours, proceeded to burn herself, and her particularly beautiful, lily-white English [skin] to a crisp.

"She was so ill we couldn’t use her for a week whilst she was bed-ridden at the hotel. Thus effecting our already prepared and broken-down shooting schedule greatly. Our director Dave Millin, was not pleased.

"Sadly whilst doing research for this book on the world wide web I could find absolutely no reference on her or any further films, and I often wonder what became of this lovely girl."


I'm sure that Martin would be pleased that you've remembered Alison in this thread.

Best,

Barbara

[cornershop15]

Thanks very much, Barbara. I've featured Alison a couple of times elsewhere, at 'Where Have We Seen Them Before?' and, much more extensively, at 'Bit Part Actresses ...', though I was unhappy with the how the post turned out. The pictures were too small.

And I am also unhappy about the realignment (I think the word is) of the opening post. Is it possible for one of the Moderators to make everything go back to the middle, as originally intended? It looks terrible now. If not, I'd rather you got rid of the thread so I can do it all over again, which I really don't mind doing. Just so long as the post looks better.

I don't understand, everything looked fine when I submitted it, at almost 20 to 3 this morning.

[Elaine]

You really are a clever fellow cornershop. Where do you get these fascinating facts? When you post you put your heart and soul into everyword. I so enjoy reading them.

[wearysloth]

Ms. Seebohm in Murder Most Foul (1965)

Mr. McNeff in Up Pompeii

Doffs hat in direction of Cornershop15

[cornershop15]

Just want to see what happens (so I can sleep better) ...

Acknowledging actors and actresses who have gradually become more recogniseable with each viewing

Dedicated to wearysloth, who will undoubtedly find some of the captures useful for his Actors Compendium, and Gerald Lovell, who I know will be on the same wavelength.

This has similarities to three other threads here: http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...se-people.html, http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...there-you.html, and http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...actresses.html. The first two concentrate on Extras, actors who are either seen in the background of a scene or we're only allowed a brief glimpse of amongst the jurors, partygoers, etc. Nearly always in non-speaking roles.

'Unnoticed' is my way of describing those who do get to say a line or two, and are named in the end credits, but whose appearances are so fleeting they're quickly forgotten, until they're screencapped. The examples I have chosen at that thread, and repeated sightings of a number of Extras, made me realise that I hadn't paid as much attention to a film or programme as much I thought. We'll always discover something new if we put our minds to it (which is how those threads for Books, Magazines, Posters, etc. came about).

The actors I have in mind for this thread will have a bit more screen time, elevating them from Unnoticed to Bit Part Players. Sometimes
even a few seconds can make all the difference, preferably with a shot of them on their own. Like Alison Seebohm in The Servant :

Remember her? The lonely Girl in Pub who 'settles' for James Fox and later seen giggling at his drug-fuelled party?

I think I'd recognise Alison easily enough now but two years ago, when I first posted that capture, I had to rely on my screencaps from The Servant and her slightly more fulfilling role in A Hard Day's Night to Get to Know her better (she played Kenneth Haigh's Secretary in the latter). This is what the thread is all about, being able to form a more vivid impression of what some of the 'newer' faces look like.

My first subject is Richard McNeff, an actor who, judging by his filmography, I must have seen several more times than the three appearances I'd like to highlight here. The first time I made a mental note of him was in the B-movie The Painted Smile, in which he played a Police Inspector looking for the missing Liz Fraser:

With his back to camera is unhelpful bookseller Harold Berens, who thinks he's lost a couple of customers
(Ray Smith and David Hemmings)! Only when Richard exits the scene do we get to see the actor full face.

That was all I really knew him from until another screencapping session, this time for The Baron episode The High Terrace (1967), allowed me a more in-depth look at some of the uncredited actors in the pre-credits sequence. A young couple and a policeman witness Jan Holden apparently jumping to her death from Southwark Bridge. I just had a feeling that the anxious copper was Richard McNeff:

And so it proved! Not only did our Gerald confirm it was him, at http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...policemen.html, but so did the actor's son, also called Richard. A pleasant surprise to see him posting here. I submitted his father's name to the illustrious cast on the episode's IMDb page and it was soon accepted

I'd seen the first episode of Special Branch, Troika (1969), a couple of times by then and was aware that Richard played one of the Radio Operators. This was shot on black-and-white video tape, which I've always found a bit creepy (going back to childhood) and difficult to capture. Of the few that I did from his scene with Cockney colleague Ray Barron over the weekend, I'm most pleased with this one:

"What's the schedule?"

Three screencapping sessions over a period of 14 months (The Painted Smile one goes back to December 2009) and they've all helped me recognise Richard McNeff a little better each time. He will be easy to spot when I next see him, in what I don't know. It does seem odd that I've already forgotten his appearance in The Mind of Mr. J. G. Reeder, as a Detective (he played a lot of policeman I've noticed!), and that nothing comes to mind from two viewings of his Callan episode.

The other credits that I have on DVD are an early episode of The Saint called The Fellow Traveller, Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em: The R.A.F. Reunion, and the Armchair Thriller story The Victim, another one I watched just a few months ago. It will be fascinating to discover/be reminded of what he did and I'm very much looking forward to showing you the results.

As intended, and as I suspected ... We can only place text, pictures and videos in the centre from the second post onwards. So now we know.

[theuofc]

Just want to see what happens (so I can sleep better) ...

As intended, and as I suspected ... We can only place text, pictures and videos in the centre from the second post onwards. So now we know.

Hi, Cornershop,

I didn't notice the placement of the text when I first saw your new thread. I was too busy reading it and taking in the great visuals. So not to worry. One of your best qualities is being a perfectionist and getting layout and facts accurate, but in this case, I suspect few if any noticed or are bothered by the left placement of the text in the initial post. It was most interesting, and I agree with Elaine about enjoying reading what you have to say.

Best,

Barbara

[Gerald Lovell]

A screencap of Alison Seebohm as the crafty Caroline in THE AVENGERS episode "Build a Better Mousetrap" (tx: 15.02.1964):



and of Richard McNeff as freedom fighter Baker in the DOCTOR WHO episode "The Daleks" (tx: 28.11.1964):



With Richard is another favourite, Bernard Kay, in the first of his four appearances in DOCTOR WHO. The rather weary looking gentleman behind Bernard I think is an uncredited David J. Grahame. Ironically, also in the cast is David Graham, who provided some of the Dalek voices.

[Gerald Lovell]

An actor I've found it quite difficult to get to know is Colin Rix. I've seen him in umpteen things, but I still rarely can remember his name and have to wait until the closing credits to be reminded who he is. He has, I think, a slight resemblance to Edward Hardwicke, though with a bit more hair, particularly given the second screencap below:


Colin as an unsuspecting chemist in Dr. Crippen (1962). I would have thought one look at Donald Pleasence would have surely given the game away!


Colin as cabman York in THE RIVALS OF SHERLOCK HOLMES episode "The Affair of the Tortoise"


A bit dark, but Colin as a doomed flight enginner in The Medusa Touch (1978).

I really must try and better commit him to my memory!

[cornershop15]

Thank you to Barbara and Elaine for their support, and Gerald for inspiring this post.

An actor I've found it quite difficult to get to know is Colin Rix. I've seen him in umpteen things, but I still rarely can remember his name and have to wait until the closing credits to be reminded who he is. He has, I think, a slight resemblance to Edward Hardwicke, though with a bit more hair ...

YES! Colin Rix is the perfect example of the kind of actor I mean. For a long time, I'd considered him as a subject for the 'Unnoticed' thread but over the last few days I have come to realise he was a multi-talented character actor (I say "was" as a 1993 appearance in Lovejoy is his final credit at the IMDb). I can see why you're reminded of Edward Hardwicke, though it's only occasionally been apparent.

1971 was a very productive year for Colin. I have some of the programmes on DVD, including Budgie. However, after two fairly extensive scans, I couldn't find any evidence that he was a Police Sergeant in the episode Best Mates, nor the boys who are supposed to have played Iain Cuthbertson's sons. And yet all the actors' names appear in the closing credits I can only assume their scenes were deleted.

Six of Rix
Like prevoius subject Richard McNeff, Colin was also 'in demand' for Policeman roles, four of which are featured here.

In The Baron episode So Dark the Night (1967) he asks Sue Lloyd to sign a statement after
she and Gillian Lewis have found local poacher John Garrie dead in mysterious circumstances:


As a Police Driver looking for escaped convict George Sewell in Randall & Hopkirk-Vendetta for a Dead Man:

This is from the pre-credits sequence and was filmed in Goodge Place, London W1 in early 1969 (shown 1970).

Colin was trying to find a very different kind of missing person in Special Branch: Sorry Is
Just a Word (1970). This time it was Gabrielle Drake, the daughter of the Czech President:

As Welsh Detective Sergeant Pritchard

The second of two appearances as a Vet in Follyfoot (1971). In both episodes, he was given
the grim task of having to shoot two horses who were suffering. This is from A Day in the Sun:


Later that year, he was hotel manager Rachau in Paul Temple: Has Anybody Here Seen Kelly? He
provides husband and wife detective team Francis Matthews and Ros Drinkwater with the answer:

[In French accent] "Well his van is often at the waterfront. He trades with the fishermen."

A less flamboyant role but a more noticeable moustache for Colin. He was merely credited as 'The Policeman'
investigating the Bellamys' missing valuables in the Upstairs Downstairs episode The Swedish Tiger (1972).


All of which have helped me Get to Know Colin Rix better than I did this time last week. How about you, Gerald?

[Gerald Lovell]

Many thanks for your post about Colin Rix, cornershop. Now I hope I have finally committed him to my memory!

[cornershop15]

Re: Colin Rix

Very belated Thanks, Gerald. Have you seen him since our last posts? An interesting and underrated actor.


Roy Hanlon

Another one I've Got to Know over the course of a few days. This time last week I was planning a new thread, regarding episode titles, and decided to start with one from The Baron called The Man Outside (1967). I'd previously screencapped most of the pre-credits sequence and remembered a scene shortly afterwards where Steve Forrest and Sue Lloyd meet a young Policeman, played by Roy Hanlon:

This is the viewers' only sighting of Roy. He points out 'Inspector' John Ringham, who is about to emerge from an inquest, fades into the background for a few more seconds and isn't seen again. No wonder I considered him for 'Unnoticed Actors and Actresses'. As ever, I was curious to know what else he was in and soon noticed Budgie among the list of credits in his filmography.

A few weeks ago, I couldn't find any evidence of Colin Rix's contribution to the series and it looked like this was going to happen with Roy in his episode, Do Me a Favour (1972). Then I realised that he was the only actor I'd failed to identify during my first scan of the DVD. It was quite a surprise to discover this is the same man:

As Alfie Apple, an associate of Budgie (Adam Faith), who arranges to meet him at the Pancake Paradise restaurant.

I'd noticed a resemblance to Garfield Morgan during that second 'capping session but thought no more about it until taking another look at his screen credits, which start with the most recent at the IMDb. It took a bit of time before I got to Adam Adamant Lives!: The Doomsday Plan (1966) but this proved to be the most significant.

I did a lot of captures from this episode last year, mainly for Isobel Black's appearance, and
recalled a sinister-looking character actor who could easily be mistaken for Garfield Morgan:

So it was him! As Streek, the assistant of madman Peter Vaughan, who wanted to blow up London.

He was another henchman in The Fiction Makers (1968), a two-part episode of The Saint,
this time for Kenneth J. Warren. I recognised Roy immediately. With him here is Tom Clegg:

This is from the feature film version, included on the Colour boxset. Tom was Oddbod in Carry On Screaming.

I did this one yesterday morning. Roy with a moustache in Gideon's Way - The White Rat (1964):

As Jock, one of Ray McAnally's gang. He's keeping watch outside while the others are stealing the fur coats:

What a fascinating journey it's been! And there's more to come as I also have Roy's appearances in Department S and Wilde Alliance on DVD. He looks different in all those captures and I can understand why I've failed to recognise him during normal viewing of four of the shows. The odd one out is The Saint, which I've only scanned for his appearance.

I haven't yet checked the Department S episode to remind me of what he did but will be watching the Wilde Alliance one next week and feel confident that I'll identify him fairly quickly. Do others remember this actor, who sadly died in 2005? Very grateful to have found this when Googling his name earlier:

The Stage - Roy Hanlon obituary

R.I.P.

There is unfinished business with Richard McNeff so I will get to work on tracking down some of his other DVD appearances soon, and maybe one or two more of Colin Rix to keep his profile going. However, my next subject will be 1970s actress Alison Hughes.

[cornershop15]

Alison Hughes

Alison Hughes worked with some of my all-time favourite actors in the first half of the 1970s (when she seems to have been at her most active): Edward Woodward, Billie Whitelaw, Alfred Burke and Richard O'Sullivan, with whom she appeared three times.

There are bound to be more but those are the stars she's seen alongside in programmes I've watched and later screencapped for this post. It's odd to think that Alison was the main focus of my attention each time, including a minor, yet significant part in what must be Britain's most celebrated cult film, and the final episode of my most beloved series.

I watch a lot of 1970s shows on DVD and now scrutinise every cast list. After a while, I begun to notice this actress's name on several occasions and decided to look for all her appearances in my DVD collection. The only thing I could recall about Alison was that she had long dark hair. My first choice was her debut in my favourite sitcom, Man About the House. This was sure to refresh my memory.

In the episode I Won't Dance, Don't Ask Me... (1974), she played Maddie, who finds herself alone with Robin (Richard O'Sullivan) at a party where neither of them are in the mood for dancing. They strike up an instant rapport when they find out they're both cookery students. But it all goes horribly wrong when Robin is exposed as a "compulsive liar", having told various guests that he's a priest, a brain surgeon, and an MP! She walks out, believing he was also pretending to be a cookery student. Do other fans of the show recognise her?:

I was right about the long hair. Curiously, she reminds me of Catherine Deneuve here. The only time I've thought that.

But can you believe that young girl is the same actress who played Edward Woodward's fiancee in The Wicker Man?:

Yes, that really is her. This is from the restored version of the classic Horror film, where they are seen singing in church.

She looked different again in The Mind of Mr. J.G. Reeder: Find the Lady (1971): This was one of only two colour episodes made and is her first credit at IMDb (her screen debut?). Set in the 1920s, she played Lady Cynthia, one of several young women who have been reported missing. The events leading up to her disappearance are shown in this scene. A Chinese Magician (Michael Meacham) chooses her to be his assistant in a routine where she walks into a sarcophagus and emerges moments later as if she's in a trance:

Lady Cynthia walks past her friends, opens a door that leads to who knows where, and is never seen again.

Later that year, the actress was briefly-seen as a Girl who hopes to find a room to stay at Billie Whitelaw's house in the
oddly-titled Armchair Theatre play Brown Skin Gal, Stay Home and Mind Bay-Bee. Is she gradually becoming familiar?:

Unfortunately, she is 'politely' turned away by Billie, who says the room has been taken. Alison looks disappointed
and leaves. I think it's hinted that she knows she's being lied to, and the viewer knows Billie wants a male lodger!

Moving on to 1975, Miss Hughes had the distinction of being the last actress to appear in Public Eye,
albeit in the rather thankless role of dutiful (and beautiful) Secretary in the episode Unlucky for Some:

Her only task in this scene is to bring two cups of coffee for Marker (Alfred Burke) and her boss (Barrie Cookson).

This is from her second appearance in Man About the House, Never Give Your Real Name, shown just two weeks
before that final Public Eye episode. This time she was Robin's current girlfriend, Linda, who he proposes to after
learning - from his female flatmates - that she is pregnant. A very different hairstyle again to the above picture:

Due to Jo and Chrissy's misunderstanding, Robin later discovers she isn't expecting a baby after all, and makes a mess of breaking
off their engagement. As with her first appearance, she leaves in disgust, dropping her cigarette in his beer as a parting gesture.

I watched this again a couple of nights ago. The only moment I remembered is when Chrissy (Paula Wilcox) keeps calling him "a rat", which Jo (Sally Thomsett) follows up with "pig", believing he's two-timed another girl, who is really Larry's (Doug Fisher). It's all in the IMDb review, which explains it better. Still great fun, all these years later.

1974-75 was a very productive period for Alison, with recurring roles in several shows, including Couples, Marked Personal and Intimate Strangers. She also returned to Man About the House, as Linda again. I've just discovered, however, that she had the leading part in a film, in the title role of Justine (1976), written and directed by the unknown-to-me Stewart Mackinnon. I can find no details about this obscure production except Cast and Crew.

A few years later, she was in a series called County Hall by Phil Redmond. This may also have been a recurring role. Just like her character in The Mind of Mr. J.G. Reeder, she seems to have 'disappeared' around this time and I'm left to wonder what happened. Hopefully, someone can Find the Lady, or maybe she will see this tribute herself one day. In which case ...

It's been wonderful Getting to Know You, Alison. To borrow your line from Mr. Reeder (as Lady Cynthia): "Ta ta. See you in the next world!".

[ShirlGirl]

Wonderful work, Cornershop! Alison is not an actress I'm familiar with at all, but now I know her!
No doubt if she ever sees what you've put together here she would be most surprised and pleased.

[cornershop15]

Many thanks, ShirlGirl. We all live in hope. It was an honour and a pleasure paying tribute to this unacknowledged actress.

[Corinne]

Good subject CS. I was very pleased with the Alison Hughes from MATH screen captures. There was another actress who starred as Robin's girlfriend in Love & Let Love called Wendy Allnut. I used to think they were the same girl as they look so much alike. I had tried to get some info on her from the net but there was not much about her. Can you do a screen capture of her as well please?

[cornershop15]

Good morning, Corinne. Thanks for your kind words. I had you in mind, of course, when I asked if Man About the House fans recognised Alison.

I'm glad you asked about Wendy. You should be seeing a lot more of her in the near future, now that she's
achieved 'cult status' as one of the Smith family in Oh! What a Lovely War, filmed in the Summer of 1968:

She is the young mother in the middle, with Kathleen Wileman as her child, Mary Wimbush and Corin Redgrave.

Added bonus from the Actors Compendium:

As Pamela in From Beyond the Grave (1973)

[Corinne]

Thanks CS. It's great to relive memories like this. Before we had the net I used to see an actor/actress in something & could not think where I knew them from. It was the same when hearing a song & not being able to remember who sung it. You'd go round for days trying to think who it was. I used to ring my friend & say "you're going to hate me but who did this" & make her share in the agony of singing the tune over & over or try to rack her brains as to where we had seen the actor before.

Good one CS. Keep 'em coming.

[John Llewellyn Moxey]

Ah! Sweet Memories

[cornershop15]

Anything in particular, John?!

For Corinne:

Sorry for the late response. I think you must have missed my other tribute to Alison Hughes -
and Richard O' Sullivan - in Man About the House. It's in the British Films and Chat section:

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/br...ml#post2004037 (post #50)

Thanks CS. It's great to relive memories like this. Before we had the net I used to see an actor/actress in something & could not think where I knew them from

If you can think of some examples then please add them to the thread!:

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/ac...em-before.html