Investigation into Natalie Wood's death reopened

[ShirlGirl]

I understand that the skipper hs admited lying in his original testimony. Hardly a credible witness and he must realise that Wagner can afford the best lawyers. Can't see this coming to anything.

I saw him on TV and he said he hadn't actually told a lie, but had failed to tell the whole truth.

It was reported on the radio earlier that the skipper of the yacht has recently written a book in which he alleges that Robert Wagner beat Natalie Wood rather badly on the night in question. He also alleges that the original coroner's report said Natalie had severe bruising to her face and many other bruises on her body, consistent with a beating. It is these allegations that the police are said to be investigating.

At the time, the bruising was said to be consistent with her having tried desperately to get back into the dinghy.

[Dame Starry]

In 1981, Wagner was pretty 'high profile' because he was, at the time, starring in the hugely popular Hart To Hart - he was considered pretty 'squeaky clean'; naturally, he wouldn't want to lose that reputation - it would have finished his career.

It makes you wonder..........

[Mark O]

I've always wondered why the name 'Wagner' is pronounced as it appears in Robert's case, but the Composer Wagner is pronounced as Vargner, any ideas why anyone?

[Steve Crook]

I've always wondered why the name 'Wagner' is pronounced as it appears in Robert's case, but the Composer Wagner is pronounced as Vargner, any ideas why anyone?

One's American, one's German.

Steve

[Steve Crook]

I saw him on TV and he said he hadn't actually told a lie, but had failed to tell the whole truth.

And kept quiet about it for 30 years? That seems unlikely - or suspicious.

Steve

[jimw1]

I saw him on TV and he said he hadn't actually told a lie, but had failed to tell the whole truth.

He should have been a politician........

[Mark O]

One's American, one's German.

Steve

Yes, but the thing is why do we in english speaking countries say it as Vargner and not as it appears was what I was wondering, though I suppose one could say the same about Beethoven I guess.

[jimw1]

Yes, but the thing is why do we in english speaking countries say it as Vargner and not as it appears was what I was wondering, though I suppose one could say the same about Beethoven I guess.

[wellendcanons]

I would agree with that ... except it's very unusual for the police to actually re-open a case in these circumstances. I mean, normally there are just veiled accusations and mysterious 'uncovered evidence' in the pre-publicity for a book, but the police themselves don't usually go along with it just to help a publisher. Not even Rupert Murdoch these days.

I'm inclined to agree with this theory in the main, though perhaps in the circumstances, due to the revelations of the yacht skipper, it would perhaps have to be investigated. I must say I'm very surprised that he should keep it a secret for thirty years and then suddenly decide to publish it in a book! Not! He couldn't tell the truth at the time and yet suddenly for cash he decides to spill the beans! Whether there is any truth in what he says or not, he didn't do Natalie any favours did he? Shame on him.

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[Steve Crook]

Yes, but the thing is why do we in english speaking countries say it as Vargner and not as it appears was what I was wondering, though I suppose one could say the same about Beethoven I guess.

Because we know how to pronounce German names properly?

I caught part of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure on TV the other day and that reminded me of their mispronunciation of names like Beethoven. But does anyone mispronounce names like that except for comic effect.

As for Robert Wagner, anyone can pronounce their own name however they want. The normal rules of English pronunciation (and all the normal exceptions to those rules) don't apply to real names, people or places.

What about those modern dance troupes the Cholmondleys (pronounced "Chumleys") and the Featherstonehaughs (pronounced "Fanshaws")?
They are both based on British family names where the pronunciation doesn't bear much relation to how they are spelt

Steve

[Mark O]

Because we know how to pronounce German names properly?

I caught part of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure on TV the other day and that reminded me of their mispronunciation of names like Beethoven. But does anyone mispronounce names like that except for comic effect.

As for Robert Wagner, anyone can pronounce their own name however they want. The normal rules of English pronunciation (and all the normal exceptions to those rules) don't apply to real names, people or places.

What about those modern dance troupes the Cholmondleys (pronounced "Chumleys") and the Featherstonehaughs (pronounced "Fanshaws")?
They are both based on British family names where the pronunciation doesn't bear much relation to how they are spelt

Steve

Point taken Steve, it's like the girls name Siobhan that's pronounced Shivonne, baffling!

Back to the topic, Robert looks remarkably like Ian Carmichael these days I reckon.

[Rowdon]

Point taken Steve, it's like the girls name Siobhan that's pronounced Shivonne, baffling!

Back to the topic, Robert looks remarkably like Ian Carmichael these days I reckon.

Or Brian Rix. I bet his trousers are halfway down out of shot.