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Old 27-12-2005, 02:07 PM
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I bet they weren't the same ones that watched DOCTOR AT SEA though.


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I bet they weren't the same ones that watched DOCTOR AT SEA though.
I bet they weren't!
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Thanks, everyone! See my "reviews" of The Night Porter, and The Servant on the film board.

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Hi, Dee Dee,

Excelllent reviews of TNP and TS. While you're at it, please do see Dirk in Darling (1965). He won a BAFTA for both TS and Darling. Get the DVD version of Darling because the vhs has scenes cut.

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His autobiographies are a great entertaining read - check them out - but for a good biography on Dirk, you should read John Coldstream's authorised biography "Dirk Bogarde".
Hello Lois, and All,

I particularly like Bogarde's autobiographies and especially for the lyricism of his prose. But I also enjoy the collected essays and the reviews he did during the last eight years of his life for The Daily Telegraph. John Coldstream edited selected pieces by Dirk as a collection in "For the Time Being." If you don't have it yet, get the paperback, not my usual suggestion, but the paperback version has four additional reviews by Bogarde, inserted in the interim between the printing of the hardcover and the paperback six months later.

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Ah, but have any of you heard his album LYRICS FOR LOVERS from 1960? Quite a rare gem on vinyl, thankfully now easily available on CD. It's only 25 minutes long or so, but to hear his 'Sprechgesang' treatments of 'You Go To My Head' 'The Very Thought Of You' et al (predating Telly Savalas by about 15 years) is an illuminating experience. Nowhere near as out there as Peter Wyngarde or David Hemmings' albums of course, or as masterly as Richard Harris' interpretations of the songs of Jimmy Webb, but interesting nonetheless.

I also cite VICTIM as my favourite Bogarde moment, although ACCIDENT and THE PASSWORD IS COURAGE, ILL MET BY MOONLIGHT and THE NIGHT PORTER come pretty close. The last-named was the one that probably lost him the housewife vote: many women, including my Mum, idolised him, but were not necessarily prepared to watch 'that kind of movie', especially if it was 'in foreign'. Ultimately, like the aforementioned and similarly debonair Mr Wyngarde, he 'wasn't the marrying kind'. Must have broken a few hearts when they found out. Having worked at the Beeb, my Mum knew before most people did, but she would still sigh every time he appeared on the screen. A bit like the disappointment men of my generation felt over Samantha Fox...
Sorry to pick this up late, Jack Gurney, but I am interested to know what you mean by "out there" in relation to an album by David Hemmings (not up with the modern lingo I'm afraid). Hemmings, of course, recorded the part of Miles in Britten's "The Turn of the Screw" with the composer conducting; I had no idea that he still sang professionally in later life.
As for Bogarde not being "the marrying kind" this was an open secret for as long as I can remember. Of course, Bogarde's private life was entirely his own affair but I was surprised to hear him say in an interview given in the latter part of his life that none of the actors who appeared in "Victim" were homosexual..."Oh, except Dennis Price, who didn't mind." A rather disingenuous comment I felt.
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Sorry to pick this up late, Jack Gurney, but I am interested to know what you mean by "out there" in relation to an album by David Hemmings (not up with the modern lingo I'm afraid). Hemmings, of course, recorded the part of Miles in Britten's "The Turn of the Screw" with the composer conducting; I had no idea that he still sang professionally in later life.
As for Bogarde not being "the marrying kind" this was an open secret for as long as I can remember. Of course, Bogarde's private life was entirely his own affair but I was surprised to hear him say in an interview given in the latter part of his life that none of the actors who appeared in "Victim" were homosexual..."Oh, except Dennis Price, who didn't mind." A rather disingenuous comment I felt.
Yes, the comment was rather unnecessary. However, Dirk's sexuality was more complicated than being homosexual or heterosexual... was was sort of neither and both...
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Sorry to pick this up late, Jack Gurney, but I am interested to know what you mean by "out there" in relation to an album by David Hemmings (not up with the modern lingo I'm afraid). Hemmings, of course, recorded the part of Miles in Britten's "The Turn of the Screw" with the composer conducting; I had no idea that he still sang professionally in later life.
As for Bogarde not being "the marrying kind" this was an open secret for as long as I can remember. Of course, Bogarde's private life was entirely his own affair but I was surprised to hear him say in an interview given in the latter part of his life that none of the actors who appeared in "Victim" were homosexual..."Oh, except Dennis Price, who didn't mind." A rather disingenuous comment I felt.
What one mans by 'out there' (which is more late 60s jargon than anything remotely modern) is 'weird' or 'drug oriented'. Hemmings' album is very much of its era, featuring the Byrds and recorded on America's West Coast, and the tracks range from Tim Hardin songs to stream-of-consciousness- faux-Dylan ranting over acid rock guitar. The Bogarde album, recorded in 1960, when apart from the experiments of Joe Meek, British music was generally quite conventional (one had to look to Americans like Beaver and Krause, Moondog or Eden Ahbez for stuff that was 'on the edge' back then) is far more designed for 'easy listening' as he reads out the lyrics to several Broadway standards over beautiful orchestrations as if they were poetry. It was designed, one miagines, for ladies to be seduced by in the plush West End pads of their bachelor suitors. Elvis Costello often quotes it as one of his favourites of all time; it can be inspired listening when in the right mood.

I'm going to buy Jack Palance's album next week.

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What one mans by 'out there' (which is more late 60s jargon than anything remotely modern) is 'weird' or 'drug oriented'. Hemmings' album is very much of its era, featuring the Byrds and recorded on America's West Coast, and the tracks range from Tim Hardin songs to stream-of-consciousness- faux-Dylan ranting over acid rock guitar. The Bogarde album, recorded in 1960, when apart from the experiments of Joe Meek, British music was generally quite conventional (one had to look to Americans like Beaver and Krause, Moondog or Eden Ahbez for stuff that was 'on the edge' back then) is far more designed for 'easy listening' as he reads out the lyrics to several Broadway standards over beautiful orchestrations as if they were poetry. It was designed, one miagines, for ladies to be seduced by in the plush West End pads of their bachelor suitors. Elvis Costello often quotes it as one of his favourites of all time; it can be inspired listening when in the right mood.

I'm going to buy Jack Palance's album next week.
Thanks for that explanation Jack Gurney. As one who believes that the term "popular music" equates with Al Jolson and have never taken any drugs stronger than Players no.6, I'll make a note to give the Hemmings album a miss.
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