VHS version of a film longer than DVD one?

[GoggleboxUK]

Yes, let's.



The topic of the thread has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of frames in a film. Torinfan even stated in her first post that she was aware of a missing scene in her DVD version of the movie which undoubtedly accounts for the difference in running time.

[rjd0309]

name='GoggleboxUK']Oh Christ, I'm going to have to get technical in order to explain that a second only ever lasts a second no matter how many frames there are in it.....



There is a large difference in framerate between film, which runs at 24.0 frames per second, and the NTSC standard, which runs at approximately 29.97 frames per second.



Unlike the 576i video formats this difference cannot be overcome by a simple speed-up.



A complex process called "3:2 pulldown" is used. One film frame is transmitted for three video fields (1½ video frame times), and the next frame is transmitted for two video fields (one video frame time). Two 24 frame/s film frames are therefore transmitted in five 60 Hz video fields, for an average of 2½ video fields per film frame. The average frame rate is thus 60 / 2.5 = 24 frame/s, so the average film speed is exactly what it should be. There are drawbacks, however. Still-framing on playback can display a video frame with fields from two different film frames, so any motion between the frames will appear as a rapid back-and-forth flicker. There can also be noticeable jitter/"stutter" during slow camera pans (telecine judder).



To avoid 3:2 pulldown, film shot specifically for NTSC television is often taken at 30 frame/s.



For viewing native 576i material (such as European television series and some European movies) on NTSC equipment, a standards conversion has to take place. There are basically two ways to accomplish this.



* The framerate can be slowed from 25 to 23.976 frames per second (a slowdown of about 4%) to subsequently apply 3:2 pulldown.

* Interpolation of the contents of adjacent frames in order to produce new intermediate frames; unless highly sophisticated motion-sensing computer algorithms are applied, this introduces artifacts, and even the most modestly trained of eyes can quickly spot video that has been converted between formats.

You have mixed up your dependent and independent variables. It's the number of frames of film which is constant. That is the independent variable. The running time is the dependent variable, and will change depending upon a number of factors, some of which you have alluded to in your technical aside.



Arguing that a second is a second is irrelevant. No one has argued that with you. But it was a nice try to confuse the issue.

[Mr Chips]

I have noticed with a lot films that are transferred to either VHS or DVD have been edited. This is something that really aggrivates, they usually take an important piece (I find that that the \tv editors are best at this, just watch how some of the Carry On films have been butchered over the years).

[taffy1967]

Not sure about the VHS version, but I know there's at least one scene cut from my standard DVD version of 'The Shining'. It's glaringly obvious whenever I see it shown on TV.

[torinfan]

This has actually turned into an interesting thread for me!



When I first played the DVD on my computer, "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" , I started at the beginning, where Gregory Peck recounts his African adventures to Ava Gardner, one of which was being on a boat in the river while he is busy filming a bunch of hippos, gets overzealous, and causes one of his crew to go overboard. Then the scene cuts to the jeep where the guy who went overboard is driven away. That is where that scene ends. Then I see the house where Gregory is with another girl of his, who runs out screaming "You don't know what love is! Go fly a kite!" Humor aside, I was like, "Ok, so what happened to the hunting scene with Torin, Gregory, and Ava?"

[torinfan]

I'll come clean, yeah it disturbed me a scene with Mr Thatcher was cut from one of the DVD releases of the movie. So happy I still own a VCR

[jackboy29]

my vhs copy of the michael cane drama jack the ripper had a shot of a topless woman that was cut for the dvd. For some reason i noticed this on the dvd but guess other scenes may have been cut too that i didn't notice...