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john audley
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It is clear to me that the buffoons that are dominating British 'comedy' writing/producing now fail to realize that the best comedy must be clean comedy! (Two Way Stretch - The Wrong Arm of the Law etc).
The Carry On's were hit and miss because of the innuendos that did not always work. |
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smiffy
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Bernard was a fine actor , but due to his physical attributes he was always destined to be typecast as a comedic actor,which is how I see MC . Martin freeman on the other hand is quite an ordinary looking bloke ,who seems to have a natural talent for dead-pan comedy but offers much more. I think he deserves better scripts as much as the "Great British film watching public does " Sam Kydd is right ,there are too many people in the industry who are devoid of talent ,and are trying to make films to make money using some kind of formula known only to themselves
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batman
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So if anyone has got a few hundred grand to spare, it's called Dead Dogs Don't Cry and is about .... but that would be telling!
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Cheeky Bob
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What matters isn't the script's moral stance but whether or not it's any good to begin with. Withnail's script was honed for over a decade, and every word was polished till it gleamed (in fact, I can't think of a British film since Kind Hearts and Coronets that generates so many laughs simply from a perfect turn of phrase). By contrast, most British comedies these days rarely get beyond the first couple of drafts - and it shows. And another crucial difference between Withnail and Three and Out is that the former achieved its reputation entirely on merit: the initial marketing spend was so minuscule that they might as well not have bothered to draw up a budget at all. |
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batman
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While I am not a fan of Withnail and I, I think Cheeky Bob has hit the nail on the head. Any film, especially comedy, has to have a quality script to have any chance of success. Four Weddings and a Funeral went through umpteen drafts before arriving at the one we see on screen. Unfortunately that kind of dedication appears to be in short supply these days. A lot of Brit films seem to be of the 'knock 'em out cheap and quick' variety.
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Cheeky Bob
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The biggest problem, and it's a nut we seem no closer to cracking, is that British film companies still don't spend anything like enough money on development. Whether these statistics are still valid today I'm not sure, but in the mid-1990s I read an article that alleged that Hollywood typically spends 10% of a film's budget on development (primarily script development), while in Europe it's less than 1%.
It shows. And until we grasp that particular nettle, the likes of Withnail (a special case, because it was such a personal project that Bruce Robinson was happy to work on it unpaid for years) are going to be radical exceptions to the general run of Three and Out imitations. What's interesting about the Three and Out débâcle is that they clearly DID try to resolve our other perennial problem - not spending enough on distribution and marketing - but they'd have been far better off spending that money on a decent script in the first place. For the most part, British producers are just too stingy to pay writers for more than a couple of drafts, and it's a completely false economy. |
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Cheeky Bob
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It's interesting that the article quoted Ricky Gervais, because of course he and Stephen Merchant are also exceptions to the general rule, in that they also refuse to put their scripts into production until they're note-perfect. The quality of The Office wasn't down to beginners' luck - it's because said beginners took time to get it right.
It's also revealing that on both The Office and Withnail (each directed by their scriptwriters, which didn't hurt), the actors were ordered to stick rigorously to the text - there was no room for improvisation or clowning around. In other words, having a good script is only part of the battle - trusting a good script is also important. Especially in the face of incomprehension from the men in suits - HandMade's Denis O'Brien nearly shut down production of Withnail because he thought it was too murky and that Uncle Monty should be played like a camp limp-wristed stereotypical old queen. In fact, as we all know, Richard Griffiths went on to create one of the most gloriously nuanced and rounded (in every sense) characters in all of British film comedy, precisely because he trusted Bruce Robinson's script enough to underplay things. |
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john audley
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The old philosophy was that a film should be welcomed by all ages to stand the best chance of maximum incomes and distasteful comedy will not do this. Films that do not contain unnecessary rudeness (Raiders of the Lost Ark for instance) will far out gross those that do. My point was, the same applies to comedy in films. |
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Cheeky Bob
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You claim "distasteful comedy will not do this", but what was the most successful British-made comedy of recent years, albeit largely US-set and funded? Few comedies are as demonstrably distasteful as Borat, or more replete with gloriously unnecessary rudeness, and yet it took an absolute fortune. In fact, Borat is an interesting case study in generating across-the-board appeal. Clearly, under-15s are excluded by default, but it managed to be funny enough to appeal to people merely in search of a good time, and intelligently multi-layered enough to garner good reviews from highbrow critics and appeal to a far more discerning audience. Even my parents went to see it, and they're Merchant-Ivory fans in their seventies. (And they loved it). Quote:
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