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Old 03-06-2008, 02:27 PM
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I would have to say that Aus films and TV seem different. The Films struggle on the whole to get much of a release or big publicity but can actually turn out to have some longevity and praise. We are saturated at the mo' by Sex and the City but some Aussie films get scant regard. Most films get a review but few seem to get above a 3 star (from 5) rating. Alternatively, homegrown TV gets a big rap to start with but once the series starts (and...cynical comment to follow..the truth dawns) they are often moved to an off peak viewing time. A recent TV success was Underbelley which was about Melbourne gangsters. Based on truth and actually banned in Victoria whilst the rest of us could watch it as parts of the series touched on ongoing court cases! I think that Aussie product seems to have to go through some sort of extra hurdle when compared with UK/USA stuff to be accepted fully. When it does this...then it is loved for years. I can't say for sure why this is but it seems to need to have an authentic ring to it.

As for "New Australians" (which I think may be an old term now) then SBS is the clear winner. I stand to be corrected but I think it was developed as a TV channel to provide programs for a multi cultural society and stands for Special Broadcasting Services. From 7am to 1pm the news from all parts of theworld in the original language is broadcast i.e. Greek/Mandarin/Russian/Chinese/Spanish?German etcetc. Many programs are subtitled and this is a station policy to address worls wide issues. The main evening news is tagged "News From Home..If YOu Live In The World." It is, for my money, the most interesting free to air station. ABC runs second. 10 is cheap and cheerful nonsense (a channel 5 equivalent poss..not sure as I'm over here). Channels 7 & 9 are the heavyweights who seem to show endless US cop shows, big name TV and Gordon "F*****g Ramsey etc.

I think that the Cultural Cringe has lessened in that more confidence is felt about Aussie produced stuff. too much deference is given to some other stuff (see comments re The Bill). The main channels are owned by Packer and Murdoch and its all too cynically tied in for worldwide consumption for my liking. Rather than loving a new film, the channel that has the most shares inviolved with the studio does the most promotion, no matter what. I'm not sure that many people in Aus or elsewhere are aware of this. IN Aus it just seems blatant.
Most people around the world are aware of Murdoch and his influence. And, to a lesser extent, Packer and other would-be media moguls.

The excellent "Kath and Kim" is enjoying quite a lot of success here and of course we're still inundated with all the Australian soaps. I don't know if "Underbelly" will make it this far. As Cyclops said, I'll keep an eye out for it

You're welcome to Gordon F*****g Ramsey. Couldn't they just find a place for him in Ramsay Street?

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Kris 20, many Americans appear to have little or no interest in foreign affairs and/or culture. Perhaps it's a cultural desire to assimilate as an "Amercan" being as everyone has origins oversees, or perhaps it's just laziness ? Having said that the demographic is changing, the influence of Latino/Spanish population continues to expand and influence. It is said that over 30% of the poulation of Claifornia speaks Spanish at hiome. I am hoping that my sons will attend University in Europe, so that they will have a more "worldly" view of life.
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Most people around the world are aware of Murdoch and his influence. And, to a lesser extent, Packer and other would-be media moguls.

The excellent "Kath and Kim" is enjoying quite a lot of success here and of course we're still inundated with all the Australian soaps. I don't know if "Underbelly" will make it this far. As Cyclops said, I'll keep an eye out for it

You're welcome to Gordon F*****g Ramsey. Couldn't they just find a place for him in Ramsay Street?

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Funnily enough, I've heard a lot less about Rupert since I've been here than Packer. Rupert, of course, nicked off long ago and it's the Packer soap opera that gets the headlines.

I thought that Neighbours at least had taken a dive and was elbowed off BBC. It's certainly second banana to Home & Away here..apparently.

Underbelly didn't really interest me.. now those who were actually named as associates are becoming media sluts and selling their story to the current affairs programs. (These are not serious current affairs..its all shock horror stuff that both 7&9 run against one another). It actually sickened me but I can see how it might make for an interesting viewing for the UK. A pretty good cast, graphic, true life crime. It has many of the ingredients.

RE: GR. He's on 9. I recently flicked between the above mentioned "current affairs progs". 7's was running a story on how disgusting/subversive/sick the man is. 9, at exactly the same time, was running a puff piece about how women really find that sort of tough talking honest man a real turn on! I put a CD on.
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I think that this thread has become focused on the USA/UK relationship whereas the initial question included the rest of the world. Is part of the problem that both countries suspect themselves to be the main part of the world and so find difficulty with 'others' view of themselves?

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That's because I am an American and that's how I answered the question. My fault.

On the other hand, I thought this was a good topic and nobody else was saying anything at all! I ddin't want to let the thead die, so I answered it from the only perspective I can speak from.

As for comments about "difficulty" with the views of others - I did not see that in any of the posts. I think the comments were generous in spirit on both sides.

I am happy to hear the views of those outside the US. It's interesting however it is addressed.
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Kris 20, many Americans appear to have little or no interest in foreign affairs and/or culture. Perhaps it's a cultural desire to assimilate as an "Amercan" being as everyone has origins oversees, or perhaps it's just laziness ? .....

I won't even think of touching that one!

In fact - I think I will just give you plenty of space.....
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That's because I am an American and that's how I answered the question. My fault.

On the other hand, I thought this was a good topic and nobody else was saying anything at all! I ddin't want to let the thead die, so I answered it from the only perspective I can speak from.

As for comments about "difficulty" with the views of others - I did not see that in any of the posts. I think the comments were generous in spirit on both sides.

I am happy to hear the views of those outside the US. It's interesting however it is addressed.
I wasn't picking on anyone inparticular TimR, just a comment prior to me throwing my two bob's worth in for the same reason as yourself...to keep it going.

The 'difficulty' bit. Well, I was just trying out a view. The fact is that this site is largely Brits, those living in English speaking countries and ex-pats so its bound to get a bit homogenised. I must also try to remember to limit my input late at night as I get inexact with language. With that in mind...goodnight all.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:31 PM
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Would of been nice to get the French view on Brit films - any French members out there?

The only one I remember was Truffauts - it wasn't favourable. Kind of funny actually, when you think he did a book about a well reknowned British director

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I'm going to France soon and I'm going to look in to it.

I like Truffaut! I love the rambling storylines and the honest dialogue (although it probably comes out more direct in translation)..and it's not right...but, so bloody cool...I watched 'Love on the run' recently and went out and bought a french anorak.

I think he is worth another look - because I think it needs a bit of time to sink in as to what he was trying to achieve..it did for me, anyway..
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Kris 20, many Americans appear to have little or no interest in foreign affairs and/or culture. Perhaps it's a cultural desire to assimilate as an "Amercan" being as everyone has origins oversees, or perhaps it's just laziness ? Having said that the demographic is changing, the influence of Latino/Spanish population continues to expand and influence. It is said that over 30% of the poulation of Claifornia speaks Spanish at hiome. I am hoping that my sons will attend University in Europe, so that they will have a more "worldly" view of life.
As an American, I would LOVE to see more foreign films. But when I go to my local cineplex, I find that the movies are mostly American-made. Why? Because the movie distributors and theatre-chain owners have decided to book mostly (or entirely) American films. It would be unfair to accuse ME of being uninterested in foreign films -- my INTEREST is there, but I have been denied the OPPORTUNITY.

A similar situation exists in regard to TV news and entertainment. Those of us who ARE interested in foreign "product" are often denied the opportunity to see it. The real culprits here are the so-called "programming geniuses" who would give us another crap episode of "The Dukes of Hazzard" instead of bringing us "Masterpiece Theatre", or would book another mindless American-made teen slasher movie instead of a popular foreign film.

Let's not label Americans as "lazy" or "uninterested" in foreign culture, when they may have been denied the opportunity to experience it in the first place!
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Let's not label Americans as "lazy" or "uninterested" in foreign culture, when they may have been denied the opportunity to experience it in the first place!

I wouldn't dare the Americans have been been the biggest influence to worldwide cinema ever!!

It's just everyone has gone to them instead of vice versa!

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Point taken RJD, whats the arthouse/alternative cinema situation like in Phoenix ? Are there many left of centre DVD rental/retail stores ?
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In my opinion, Phoenix is middle-of-the-road with regard to arthouse cinemas. In addition to several national theatre-chain cinemas, we also have a local chain of cinemas owned by a man who goes out of his way to book foreign films. So our situation is better than most large American cities, but certainly not on par with a city such as Austin, Texas, that has its own local film culture.

Technology has given us more distribution channels now than ever before. You can not only see a film at your local cinema, but you can also get it on DVD and also over the Internet via streaming video. I can't remember the last time that I actually went to the cinema to see a film -- I get almost all of my movies nowadays on DVD.

This bodes well for lovers of foreign films, as we will all (hopefully) be able to download DVD-quality films, no matter where they were made.
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Without wishing to be argumentative RJD, it sounds that in relative terms you are not so under served and therfore i'm wondering where "the lack of opportunity" comes into it ? The nationally owned theatre-chain cinemas in NYC don't show foriegn films and I doubt if their equivalents in Britain do either ? I think that interest in foerign film and/or culture requires effort no matter where you are located.
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The fact that my local cinemas may offer six foreign films per year does not exactly leave me feeling awash in plenty!

I quite agree that the burden rests upon the individual to seek out foreign films of interest.

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The fact that my local cinemas may offer six foreign films per year does not exactly leave me feeling awash in plenty!
Be grateful for small mercies. Six a year is more than they get in some bigger cities

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