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Old 17-10-2008, 09:51 AM
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MICHAEL COLLINS was controversial, we found, in May 1998. We were visiting from Canada and had three weeks in the Republic and Northern Ireland. Peace everywhere: the referendum campaign was on, and optimism reigned.

But I found the Jordan film was a conversation starter in pubs and cafes. I had read a bit about the terrible Civil War that followed the Treaty. An earlier visit in 1972 had confused me: I didn't understand the division between Fianna Fail and Fine Gael those days. Ah, it was the old Treaty fight that did not end until all the veterans had died off.

In 1998, to the credit of Irish people my age (40-ish), they still had a strong sense of history without the blood emnities. The movie MICHAEL COLLINS was a dandy talking point over a few pints. No fights, but some intense opinions about the birth of their nation.

Our universal point of agreement: "Yer American Julia Roberts? Roobish, she was."

I've watched MICHAEL COLLINS several times lately, and helped by Ken Loach's superb THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY and Deborah Warner's THE LAST SEPTEMBER, I like it even more.

I thought the most shocking performance was by Alan Rickman. What was he doing in that film?

I've thought he was excellent in a number of things - but forcing him to put on the most ghastly Irish accent completely threw his performance off.

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Old 17-10-2008, 10:09 AM
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I thought the most shocking performance was by Alan Rickman. What was he doing in that film?
I think Liam Neeson would have made a better De Valera than Rickman and Brendan Gleeson a better Michael Collins than Neeson.

Gleeson was in Michael Collins and also played him in a TV production The Treaty in 1991.

Right, now I'm off to re-cast Siege of the Saxons
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Old 17-10-2008, 10:10 AM
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Do have a look at Deborah Warner's THE LAST SEPTEMBER (1998).

It seems to be a country-house idyll at first, and that is the intention. The country house is in Ireland. The September is 1920, and the Anglo-Irish ascendancy is coming to an end while the Civil War begins. It is not as brutal as THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY, but the story is well-told from a perspective we don't often see.

A valuable piece, I think, in the Irish story. Michael Gambon and Maggie Smith are outstanding leaders of a good cast.
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Old 17-10-2008, 10:15 AM
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Do have a look at Deborah Warner's THE LAST SEPTEMBER (1998).

It seems to be a country-house idyll at first, and that is the intention. The country house is in Ireland. The September is 1920, and the Anglo-Irish ascendancy is coming to an end while the Civil War begins. It is not as brutal as THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY, but the story is well-told from a perspective we don't often see.

A valuable piece, I think, in the Irish story. Michael Gambon and Maggie Smith are outstanding leaders of a good cast.
Thanks K will do

By the way have you seen Fools of Fortune with Michael Kitchen, Julie Christie etc set around the times of the Black and Tans ? A very underrated film IMHO
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Do have a look at Deborah Warner's THE LAST SEPTEMBER (1998).
I've never even heard of that

But it sounds fascinating and what an interesting cast too
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Old 17-10-2008, 10:53 AM
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A surprise in our 1998 discussions with Irish people, sparked by the movie, were the heated opinions about Eamon DeValera.

In 1972, DeValera was still an Irish Saint whose wisdom was never questioned - not by the people I met, anyway. In 1998, DeValera's legacy was hotly contested by intelligent Irish people who took more pride in Mary Robinson (ex-President and chair of the UN Human Rights Commission) and current leader Bertie Ahern.

I cannot claim much insight gained over a few pints of Guinness in Dublin, Kildare and towns farther west, but our pals were credible, well-informed people.

Jeannie and I talked about our surprise at the Irish people we met. Unlike the average Canadian or American in a small town, the folks we met were interested in world affairs, knew a lot and were passionate about their country.

Jeez, though Ireland is not geographically large, the West seems pretty remote. Even so, the morning quality papers: Irish Times and Independent, plus the UK newspapers were in the cafes at opening time, and they were read.

A literate culture, the Irish.
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Old 17-10-2008, 11:11 AM
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FOOLS OF FORTUNE (O'Connor 1990) - Thanks for the tip.

Dammit, there is not a DVD at present but I will look out for it. The story is another look at the darkest period in Ireland's history.
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Old 17-10-2008, 12:28 PM
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The Drum1938

Dashing Roger Livesey & loads of Scots in kilts take on Raymond Massey &

his Indian masses in this tale of the Raj. Sabu, Francis L Sullivan & the

delectable Valerie Hobson also appear. Exciting stuff & in Technicolor!
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Old 17-10-2008, 07:15 PM
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Oh Mr Porter on BBC4 - matchless, a milestone of comic fooling. Hadn't seen it for years and decided to 'revisit' it last night and glad I did. IMHO Hay is the only one of the Music Hall stars who still comes across well on film. I think it was because he was more of a character actor than a stand-up comedian. Clearly inspired by The Ghost Train (as are alot of Hay's films) I think it is possibly the best version.

Anyone else agree ?
Absolutely agree, Windy - IMVHO "Oh Mr Porter" is the funniest British film comedy - perfection! And to think when they were making it, to Val Guest it was just another potboiler.....

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Last night, courtesy of a kind forum member, I watched Anthony Asquith's excellent WWII drama " Orders To Kill " starring Paul Massie, James Robertson Justice and in a small role the lovely Lilian Gish,

A tale of morals unfolds when an allied agent is sent to Paris to assinate a suspected informer.

Why this film is so neglected is beyond me and as the Radio Times guide says " A forgotten gem of Britisg cinema "

Highly recommended
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Old 18-10-2008, 08:23 AM
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The 1983 version of THE HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES - we only have the Peter Cook/Dudley Moore version left to screen; after this it looks like we will be having a series of various DRACULA movies...

Can't make my mind up whether to start with NOSFERATU and go forwards, or the Coppola DRACULA and go back. LOL

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I finally finished watching "The Cambridge Spies" which I enjoyed very much. Sterling performances. I think I'll revisit Kim Philby's autobiography as I read it in haste last time. A fascinating period in the history of British Intelligence and the "cold war"

In contrast, we later watched "Unforgiven".............recently acquired for £2.99. One of my favourite westerns(of a kind). Stark with stunning cinematography and not a cleanly pressed shirt in sight

Once more, Morgan Freeman came across as the guy you would want by your side...........................
A Happy and Healthy New Year to all

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Old 18-10-2008, 11:45 AM
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Back to back episodes of Harry O ..... still the best ever US private eye series.
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Old 18-10-2008, 04:27 PM
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Quite apt in the current climate. Whilst is starts promisingly, the plot barely develops and Ian Hendry's brash tally man becomes an irritation.
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A real treat !

Vernon Sewell's " The Man in the Back Seat " starring the fabulous Derren Nesbitt and featuring a young Carol White,in a taloe of a bookmaker robbery gone wrong.

Excellent atmosphere helps to add up to a near perfect little B picture and all told in under an hour
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