Bbc To Show Colour Film Of Lost Era - Page 2 - Britmovie - British Film Forum

Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum
Home Page Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

 »   Britmovie - British Film Forum » Lobby » British Films and Chat

Notices

British Films and Chat For movie polls, thoughts, and discussion.on British films and stars.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 29-06-2005, 07:03 AM
penfold is ready for hibernation
Moderator
 
penfold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bristol
Posts: 4,544
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by DB7@Jun 28 2005, 09:56 PM
I would say they understand the historic values of the archive but I've seen little evidence they comprehend the commercial values of some of the films or how best to exploit them. It shouldn't take the BBC to give their marketing greater exposure and I wonder whether the BFI give the public what they want... or what they think the public want.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
You do have to remember that possessing the film prints in the archive does not give you exploitation rights...the owners of the copyright still have that; which is why the two series are looking at footage 80+ years old; copyright has lapsed. All the DVD's and video releases of more recent material from the bfi generally has to go through a long and complex series of rights negotiations - once it is established who owns what, which is not necessarily obvious after decades have elapsed. It's all expensive, and the bfi is cash poor. Hence the co-productions with the beeb..the beeb has the money, the bfi has the material.


Bit of a Bay Window, what??
penfold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-06-2005, 08:41 AM
DAVID RAYNER has no status.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: none
Posts: 370
iTrader: (0)
Default

I watched Dan Cruickshank on television last night in a documentary about Harlech castle in Wales and he did manage to speak up a bit at times…especially when the wind was howling around him and the waves were crashing on the shore directly behind him. So maybe we won’t see him sent to present The Old Grey Whistle Test just yet (if that programme was still on, that is)…although the impression he gave as he wandered inside the ruins of the old castle was that he was keeping his voice down because he shouldn’t really be there and he’d get into serious trouble if he was discovered. Actually, except for himself; the cameraman and sound recordist, I suspect that the castle was completely deserted. I hope he continues to speak in more normal tones in the forthcoming Friese Greene series.
DAVID RAYNER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-06-2005, 07:15 PM
Wetherby Pond has no status.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 227
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by penfold@Jun 29 2005, 08:03 AM
You do have to remember that possessing the film prints in the archive does not give you exploitation rights...the owners of the copyright still have that; which is why the two series are looking at footage 80+ years old; copyright has lapsed. All the DVD's and video releases of more recent material from the bfi generally has to go through a long and complex series of rights negotiations - once it is established who owns what, which is not necessarily obvious after decades have elapsed. It's all expensive, and the bfi is cash poor. Hence the co-productions with the beeb..the beeb has the money, the bfi has the material.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
I've had regular dealings with the BFI for nigh-on two decades, and I have a huge amount of sympathy for their position - as you rightly say, they have an amazing treasure trove of material, but just maintaining it in its present condition takes a huge amount of time, effort and money, as even 35mm safety stock is by no means stable. So any serious commercial exploitation requires external funding at the very least, or preferably a full-scale partnership such as the one they've established with the BBC.

There used to be a longstanding joke that the acronym stood for British Films Ignored, but this is largely because the rights to the overwhelming majority of British fiction features from approx. the late 1920s to the mid-1980s are owned by Granada and Studio Canal, and most high-profile titles after that are owned by assorted Hollywood majors (notably Universal, which snapped up the PolyGram/Working Title catalogue).

I'm sure the BFI could do an outstanding job with some of the 1940s Powell & Pressburgers (you have only to look at their quite stunning DVD of The Edge of the World, one of the finest British film discs yet released), but even though they might well have the best-quality 35mm materials they'd have to ask Granada permission to do anything with them over and above arranging one-off private research viewings - and any deal would probably involve the BFI doing most of the work and Granada reaping most of the royalties, which isn't especially attractive from the BFI's perspective.

So the answer to almost any question that begins "Why doesn't the BFI..." should include the word 'copyright' or 'rights'. The sad fact is that European copyright legislation makes it extraordinarily difficult for a film to pass into the public domain (such scenarios are much more common in the US, which has a different system - the British Hitchcock titles are public domain there, which is why there are so many cheap DVDs, but carved up between Granada and Canal here) - even the work of turn-of-the-century pioneers like Cecil Hepworth is technically still in copyright, as he survived until the 1950s.
Wetherby Pond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005, 12:14 PM
samkydd has no status.
Senior Member
 
samkydd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Stackton Tressle
Posts: 2,463
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by DB7@Jun 28 2005, 09:21 AM
Owen Gibson, media correspondent
Tuesday June 28, 2005
The Guardian

The BBC is again planning to raid the archives of the British Film Institute in an effort to tap into a growing interest in evocative silent movies from a bygone age.
Following the success of the BBC2 series The Lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon, which offered a fascinating insight into life in late Victorian and early Edwardian Britain, the corporation is dusting down the archives of the pioneering 1920s film-maker Claude Friese-Greene.
Through the restored footage, the BBC hopes to reawaken interest in a landmark film, The Open Road, featuring some of the earliest colour footage of locations around the UK.
The BBC plans to follow the route of a journey made by Friese-Greene from Land's End to John O'Groats in 1924, stopping off at 24 locations en route to show local people the footage from their area.

There will also be five regional events attended by the presenter Dan Cruikshank and experts from the BFI National Film and Television Archive, at which they will attempt to glean greater insight into the history of the people, buildings and landscapes featured in the footage. The resulting series, The Lost World of Friese-Greene, will be shown next year.

The BFI's director, Amanda Neville, said The Open Road was "yet another fantastic gem" from the archives. "It gives us a glimpse into a bygone era which, like Mitchell and Kenyon, serves as a powerful reminder of why it is so important to preserve and cherish our film heritage. The public demand for access to wonderful films like this adds an urgency to our efforts to restore and showcase them."

A surprise hit for the BBC, the films made by Sagar Mitchell and James Kenyon excited much interest among viewers and critics for their unique insight into life in Britain in the early 1900s.

One programme in the series, currently being repeated on BBC2, shows a 1902 football match between Blackburn Rovers and Manchester United.

The BBC2 controller, Roly Keating, said the success of the series "proved how fascinated British audiences are with these astonishing visions of a lost era.

"In the Friese-Greene footage, the sheer quality of colour photography makes this an equally remarkable source of forgotten history."
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
I thought M&K was pretty good and dispelled the myth I always had as a child that people in Victorian/Edwardian times walked and moved their arms and heads a lot quicker than we do today!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"
samkydd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Andrew Percy has no status.
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1
iTrader: (0)
Default

Watched tonights showing of the fascinating Mitchell & Kenyon films.
My attention was drawn to the Goudie section, the bank fraudster from Shetland.
I wonder if the researchers Sweet & Kermode knew about his ancestor, Isobel Gowdie. She was burned at the stake 1680 or 90 (sorry, can't recall exact year) by the Wee Free Church, charged with witchcraft.
Andrew Percy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:53 PM.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 1998-2008 BritMovie