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Old 18-08-2007, 01:19 PM
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Not so sure about Caine (!), but Robert Carlyle has a gift for accents. Excellent scouse in Cracker, cockney in Face, Yorkshire in Full Monty, among others. Daniel Day Lewis nails them all too.

There's a clip on youtube of Peter Seller's doing various British accents:

YouTube - Peter Sellers does various English accents

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Old 18-08-2007, 02:01 PM
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just got in, so this will be quota-quicky answer, until I can get to the keyboard proper for a few minutes.
Reference Basil Rathbone, Errol Flynn, and indeed Ronald Colman, they were STARS, of a different generation. Back when I used to go to see them. In my diatribe somewhere above, I refer to todays actors. All those big names of yesteryear were literally made famous by the big studios, and we just accepted that. I mentioned John Wayne as a case in point really. He was accepted by the cinema going public, even though he had the same accent indeed the same everything no matter what picture he starred in. But today, I, that is a lot of us feel that just "being a star" is not good enough. The old saying "he's an actors actor" holds true for people like David Suchet, David Bradley, and just look at Hugh Laurie in "House", he is excellent, even Americans think he is a native of the USA! Moving on....no so far I hav'nt had to travel to anywhere to get better at a dialect, perhaps I just havn't been found out yet!
More anon. Golum...Yes Robert Carlyle is excellent too.

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Old 18-08-2007, 03:58 PM
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Kelp, I'll keep firing questions - you haven't bored me yet! (You keep trying, though, eh?!! ha ha)

Have you incorrectly learned an accent or characterization, only to discover the superior nuances later? If so, how did that occur? Did you visit that locale and immerse yourself?

This would be useful, perhaps, in accents, and not necessarily in your characterizations - which are beasts all unto their own, I suspect - something of an accent but more painted onto a character you take over or you created.

My idea for "writers should change the story" comes from the use of English actors in American films. Basil Rathbone hardly needed ANY story change or acknowledgement that his accent EXISTED in films. Nor Ronald Colman, who was playing "small town American college professors' in PEOPLE WILL TALK but no one ever explained his accent, nor did he disguise it. "Just do it" and let the audience worry about it.

Which I greatly prefer than seeing failed or floppy faux-accents (the Kevin Costner ROBIN HOOD crap). Jeepers - it would have been better if he'd just mumbled his way thru - we'd have laughed at his appearance in that role anyway, but now we laugh at his performance AND make fun of his accent attempt).

Or in the American SILVERADO, where John Cleese is given a one-sentence line of explanation for his English accent in the American wild west. Writers CAN do that, I think...just explain it away. It takes a sentence or two - and it's a WHOLE lot better than faux accents.
Check out Jennifer Jones in Gone to Earth (1950). For an American lady who had just done Duel in the Sun, she does a very good English Midlands / Welsh Marches accent. When we showed the film in Much Wenlock in 2002 I made a point of asking the locals what they thought of her accent and use of local idiom. They all said that she'd caught it very well.

While they were making the film, everyone said that she was "very friendly and would talk to all the extras (all locals)". Was she just honing that accent?

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Different in film though- some of the greats have been mumblers, adding to the naturalism...
Absolutely... Film isn't about dialogue, but about visuals (though I think sound is very very important in film)... its a very different medium from stage. Very few of the greats have been mumblers though, but a few great screen actors have been mumblers, such as Marlon Brando ('Mumbles' to his friends) and Harrison Ford.

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...while the acclaimed stage actors can often seem rather hammy.
Like with the mumbling... its not only stage actors who can be hammy... and frankly, the stage career is one of the rationales used to try and explain the quality of British acting talent in general.

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Check out Jennifer Jones in Gone to Earth (1950). For an American lady who had just done Duel in the Sun, she does a very good English Midlands / Welsh Marches accent. When we showed the film in Much Wenlock in 2002 I made a point of asking the locals what they thought of her accent and use of local idiom. They all said that she'd caught it very well.

While they were making the film, everyone said that she was "very friendly and would talk to all the extras (all locals)". Was she just honing that accent?

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Don't get me wrong guys, I love theatre and film equally. yes, I was brought up in theatre and the stage has a special meaning for me, that's because that is where we all started back in my day, you know, chorus at "B" run theatres, clubs and town halls. But I also love cinema, and some of my favourite stars of yesteryear are people like Brando and James Dean, Karl malden and quality supports like LQ Jones, and Tim Carey and Arthur Honeycut (now there's an accent for you!) these I guess was where my interest in the business came from.

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