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Old 03-07-2008, 04:23 PM
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Would anybody in the legal profession actually attend court as unshaven as that, and wearing sandals !
Mine looks like Baldrick in a suit. It's a constant source of amusement but he's far better than the Man at C&A type I used previously.

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A colleague and I once escorted a patient for a court appearance. I got all togged up but my colleague turned up in jeans and a tee-shirt, unshaven and looking like he's just crawled out of bed. The judge refused to hear the case until this chap had left the court. When he laughed, the judge fined him £250 for contempt! He nearly lost his job as well!

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The backlash has started. That's what is so annoying about programmes like these that purport to show the reality of the more hidden systems of our society. Most of us have to accept that what we see as 'background' is about right. Waking the Dead lost me when they completely botched the military protocol on an episode, even getting the soldiers to salute while not wearing head-dress - unforgivable! When I moaned at them they said they were employing some sort of 'production licence' where it wouldn't affect the plot line. Crap. They just didn't bother to check their facts.
Anyway, I had a prison officer in today from HMP Woodhill, Milton Keynes. They're jumping up and down over the scenes that show the behaviour of the prison officers in a totally negative light. Picked out for special mention was the scene where our boy was assaulted and covered in grass. Couldn't happen he said. When I asked why, he told me they would never have got that much grass on the 'landing'.
Yes, at the mention of grass, I too began to wonder.
Can't wait for tonight's do. I predict that the drugs are important for the recall of our heroe's actions.

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Anyway, I had a prison officer in today from HMP Woodhill, Milton Keynes. They're jumping up and down over the scenes that show the behaviour of the prison officers in a totally negative light. Picked out for special mention was the scene where our boy was assaulted and covered in grass. Couldn't happen he said. When I asked why, he told me they would never have got that much grass on the 'landing'.
Yes, at the mention of grass, I too began to wonder.Regards, HG
My late father was a Prison Officer.
That was in the days when they were properly and fully trained, were employed by the Home Office and had a fair wage (at the time) with subsidised housing provided.
They 'cold-turkeyed' new remand prisoners, visitors were searched thoroughly so that no drugs were brought in and there was respect both ways.
Now officers just need 5 GCSEs to work for contractors who pay them a pittance and they have to provide their own housing.
Of course, a lot of these stories about life inside prisons are related to us by ex-offenders - but they certainly give me 'food for thought'.

Meanwhile, back to the programme, the plot thickens. Is our Ben as innocent as we think?
It looks like there is going to be a big twist to this - I only hope, after watching it all week, that it doesn't fizzle out like a damp squib!

I do hope that Ben Whishaw had a flu jab before he started filming - he seems to spend most of the time with his clothes off!

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Old 04-07-2008, 08:57 AM
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Is our Ben as innocent as we think?
I think so otherwise the character's credibility would fall apart. I did think that he may be innocent, but to give it a twist the show might end with him going down.
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I think so otherwise the character's credibility would fall apart. I did think that he may be innocent, but to give it a twist the show might end with him going down.
That would make way for another series then - an appeal. Possible.

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That would make way for another series then - an appeal. Possible.

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I did wonder that myself. I doubt it tho as reassembling large casts is difficult due to conflicting schedules. Someone like Postlethwaite will probably have a feature film or two lined up.
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Been enjoying the clever plot-twists – and the compelling 5 nights in a row concept – a riveting high quality drama by a high quality writer – Peter Moffat (Kavanagh QC and Hawking) superbly performed by an excellent cast.

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Been enjoying the clever plot-twists – and the compelling 5 nights in a row concept – a riveting high quality drama by a high quality writer – Peter Moffat (Kavanagh QC and Hawking) superbly performed by an excellent cast.
That's all very well.........but will Ben Whishaw get his kit off AGAIN tonight?

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A colleague and I once escorted a patient for a court appearance. I got all togged up but my colleague turned up in jeans and a tee-shirt, unshaven and looking like he's just crawled out of bed. The judge refused to hear the case until this chap had left the court. When he laughed, the judge fined him £250 for contempt! He nearly lost his job as well!
Reminds me of Fred Gwynne v Joe Pesci in the very funny My Cousin Vinny.
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Reminds me of Fred Gwynne v Joe Pesci in the very funny My Cousin Vinny.
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And now the kitten! It's getting a bit Midsommer Murdery where they pop another clue in five minutes before the end so that you can't make a decision. Curses, he might be guilty.
Ah, well.

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I saw the trailer for the last episode of this ( I haven't been watching it): The court official asks the jury "Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty of murder ?"

Surely that's not accurate ! Because I served on the jury at a murder trial a few years ago, and the question put to the jury foreman was:

"Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty ?"

and if the answer was "Guilty" then the second question was put:

"Do you find him guilty of murder or manslaughter?"

Unless procedures have changed radically in the last few years, it looked to me as if the writer hadn't even made basic research !
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I saw the trailer for the last episode of this ( I haven't been watching it): The court official asks the jury "Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty of murder ?"
Surely that's not accurate ! Because I served on the jury at a murder trial a few years ago, and the question put to the jury foreman was:
"Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty ?"
and if the answer was "Guilty" then the second question was put:
"Do you find him guilty of murder or manslaughter?"
Unless procedures have changed radically in the last few years, it looked to me as if the writer hadn't even made basic research !
That would depend on what charge the defendent was being tried; the police decide what charge - not the jury.
In the case of your trial, it sounds as if the defendent was charged with both manslaughter and murder at the same time in which case the jury should be asked for their verdict on each charge separately.

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Old 05-07-2008, 08:16 AM
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I don't watch very much TV any more and it takes something special for me to sit down 5 nights in a row.
I found it well-written, directed and acted, the cast was excellent and, for me, the ending was perfect.

More of the same, please!

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