Vincent

[Marky B]

I didn't watch Vincent because the preview clips were putting me off - the usual shouting etc (which must be the norm now in tv - see Eastenders {no don't see Eastenders}). A shame,because Ray Winstone deserves better and as for Salamander Jones from Corrie,I wouldn't recognise if she was serving pints at my local boozer.
Ta Ta
Marky B [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[Harbottle]

The fact that Winstone was in it was more than enough to prevent me viewing, and I'm not surprised to read I missed little. Does his "acting" consist of anything much other than shouting a lot anyway [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbdown.gif[/img] Fortunately I have plenty of DVD's to view and I'm mainly in a 40's to 80's time warp [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clapping.gif[/img]

Currently viewing :

The Lotus Eaters
The Pallisers
The Sweeney
Chance In A Million (S01)
Plus assorted films

To watch next pile :

Kessler
Citizen James (small number of episodes)
Out of the Unknown (assorted episodes)
Gideon's Way
The New Avengers

Trouble is there are simply not enough viewing hours [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif[/img]

[samkydd]

(Harbottle @ Oct 12 2005, 09:22 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> The fact that Winstone was in it was more than enough to prevent me viewing, and I'm not surprised to read I missed little. Does his "acting" consist of anything much other than shouting a lot anyway [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbdown.gif[/img] Fortunately I have plenty of DVD's to view and I'm mainly in a 40's to 80's time warp [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clapping.gif[/img] Currently viewing : The Lotus Eaters The Pallisers The Sweeney Chance In A Million (S01) Plus assorted films To watch next pile : Kessler Citizen James (small number of episodes) Out of the Unknown (assorted episodes) Gideon's Way The New Avengers Trouble is there are simply not enough viewing hours [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif[/img] [/b]

Chance in a Million was brilliant. Thames have got it and they won't release it or repeat it! I'm a bit young to remember Gideon, was that John Gregson in the role?

[Harbottle]

(samkydd @ Oct 12 2005, 09:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Chance in a Million was brilliant. Thames have got it and they won't release it or repeat it! I'm a bit young to remember Gideon, was that John Gregson in the role? [/b]

Indeed I don't recall seeing any of Chance In A Million since they were originally broadcast I wonder if one or more members of the cast are not keen on them being released or repeated?

I seem to recall that onew of the leads prevented The Professionals being shown for some time, a situation that could have remained as far as I'm concearned [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbdown.gif[/img]

Gideon’s Way did star John Gregson and the whole series has recently been released on DVD. Not seen any of this series before myself but I hear its rather good.

[Withnailandme]

(samkydd @ Oct 11 2005, 09:51 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> "So hey, we've got Ray Winstone signed up, let's cobble together some awful screenplay and have lots of shouting and gruffness and a few soap people that the viewer will recognise("Oh look it's what's 'er name off thingy!") plus an actor that always plays a baddie, and put it out on prime time 9pm slot. We've got all the cosmetic and women's products wanting slots in the ad breaks, which we can extend by slipping in a few extra! So Jaqquui and Nikkkki you do a press handout, and Catherine, oh sorry I mean Kattt, can get an interview slot for Ray in The Telegraph! Don't worry about the script I'm sure it'll be alright, DeMilsa and Peers can throw in a few well worn cliches to pad it out!" I watched Vincent last night and found it to be exactly the same as most other new dramas on TV; characterless, charmless, cold and empty. The plot was just silly, and all the ex-wife stuff has been done to death over the years, as with the stereotypical predictably antagonistic policeman's attitude towards an ex-policeman turned private eye. How did Vincent's assistant get into the changing rooms of a private health club to spy on a member, didn't show you that bit? How many people in big expensive houses are stupid enough to have small panes of glass next to the front door so that private eyes (or burglars) can smash the sugar glass and reach it to open a Yale lock? Why did no one offer First Aid to the victim? Why was the house no longer a crime scene just a few hours after the victim was found close to death, thus allowing the bad guy to return home undetected? Where was he hiding before he got back into the house, oh that's right he was hiding in a close-up everytime he talked on his mobile to Vincent! Come back Frank Marker and James Hazell, and dare I say it, even Jim Rockford was better than this! Having soap rejects in the cast didn't help, and Marc Warren's performances are always empty and bland. He was in that awful con man series with Robert Vaughn, which was another badly written and poorly acted load of old bollocks! Why do I think that the standard of writing over the past ten years has deteriorated to such an extent that our TV dramas are just as crap as our music charts? I'm not asking for perfection but some credibility and effort would be welcomed! It relied purely on Ray Winstone's hard man image to sell this series to the public, and to be fair, his character was the only one with any character. But the gruff Cock-er-ney 'Ardman has also been done to death since the days of Harold Shand, Minder and good old Eastenders where Cock-er-ney "I went to Violet's funeral!" underworld characters pop up everytime the ratings start to drop off! TV program makers, to use a well worn Cock-er-ney cliche, are " 'Avin a larf!" [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif[/img] [/b]

I agree, it was crap. I quite looked forward to it because it was billed as gritty, and I like gritty television. Sadly this show was fluff disguised as grit and it didn't work.

Whenever I watch a British crime show like this I always look at how it compares to the first few chapters of Cracker (when Jimmy McGovan wrote it) and let's be honest, this was not even in the same league as that classic.

Cracker is, IMO, the greatest TV crime drama ever made anywhere in the world, unfortunately after seeing such wonderful acting, characters, and hearing the beautiful, almost poetic dialogue in those early episodes, it leaves a very high benchmark that shows like Vincent simply cannot approach.

[samkydd]

</div><div class='quotemain'>(Marky B @ Oct 12 2005, 03:50 PM) I didn't watch Vincent because the preview clips were putting me off - the usual shouting etc (which must be the norm now in tv - see Eastenders {no don't see Eastenders}). A shame,because Ray Winstone deserves better and as for Salamander Jones from Corrie,I wouldn't recognise if she was serving pints at my local boozer. Ta Ta Marky B [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img] [/b]

Salamander Jones? Is that her name? It sounds more like a detective in a US blacksploitation movie from 1972! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

I've decided to be a fair minded viewer and watch it again next week. It's not the actors' fault that they have bad scripts and weak storylines, in the same way that if someone worked on the assembly line at British Leyland in the 1970s we can't blame them for producing cars like the Allegro, Marina, TR7 or wedge shaped Princess! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif[/img]

[samkydd]

(samkydd @ Oct 14 2005, 09:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> I've decided to be a fair minded viewer and watch it again next week. [/b]

Well I'll be eating humble pie for a few days, the second episode was very good! Roy Marsden playing a baddie was entertaining,and the story seemed to have more credibility this week. Why they didn't use this episode to start the series I don't know! So that's me silenced! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

(samkydd @ Oct 18 2005, 08:12 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Why they didn't use this episode to start the series I don't know! So that's me silenced! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img] [/b]

They had to introduce the characters?

[samkydd]

(Rennie @ Oct 18 2005, 08:44 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> They had to introduce the characters? [/b]

Possibly, but they really should be able to to that without making the episode weaker for it, and had it been a one off TV play they wouldn't have had that luxury. I felt there was more insight into the characters this week than in the first episode.

[Withnailandme]

I still thought it came across as a pussy-whipped, watered-down drama trying to disguise itself as a gritty thriller.

Winston is quite good in the title role, but the other actors are obvious soap rejects etc. and the script has some terrible lines shoe-horned in there.

I turned off after about half an hour.

[bensonrad]

[quote name='Harbottle' date='Oct 13 2005, 11:11 AM' post='22982']
"The fact that Winstone was in it was more than enough to prevent me viewing, and I'm not surprised to read I missed little. Does his "acting" consist of anything much other than shouting a lot anyway Fortunately I have plenty of DVD's to view and I'm mainly in a 40's to 80's time warp

To watch next pile :

Kessler
Citizen James (small number of episodes)
Out of the Unknown (assorted episodes)
Gideon's Way
The New Avengers
"

Ray Winston always seems to play the same sort of charachter.

Citizen James! wow where did you get these, this is something I have been dying to see.
Ben [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eek.gif[/img]

[mittens2317]

What the fuck's everyone got against Vincent? Okay, I'm sorry that the director chose to film it in the better half of England, and for once a superior city is chosen over London, but that's no reason to slag off a very good series. The acting from Winstone was better than you're giving him credit for, and the director side-stepped the cliche of Ray ending up with Beth. The music captured the feel of Manchester in the Autumn/Winter seasons (and I don't give a fuck what time is was set, so stfu). The whole concept of the series was good anyway, as you usually just see the shit that the police have to put up with, but to see it from a different point of view - but the same side of the law - is quite refreshing imo. It also puts out a strong message about the truth too - coz maybe sometimes the truth is just too much to handle, as we all saw in the first episode (unless of course you were stupid enough to miss it). But anyway, I didn't come on here to write a review, I came here to defend a very good actor, and a very good drama series, so lay the fuck off him. Unless of course you can do better...

[Marky B]

(Mittens2317 @ Nov 21 2005, 09:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> What the fuck's everyone got against Vincent? Okay, I'm sorry that the director chose to film it in the better half of England, and for once a superior city is chosen over London, but that's no reason to slag off a very good series. The acting from Winstone was better than you're giving him credit for, and the director side-stepped the cliche of Ray ending up with Beth. The music captured the feel of Manchester in the Autumn/Winter seasons (and I don't give a fuck what time is was set, so stfu). The whole concept of the series was good anyway, as you usually just see the shit that the police have to put up with, but to see it from a different point of view - but the same side of the law - is quite refreshing imo. It also puts out a strong message about the truth too - coz maybe sometimes the truth is just too much to handle, as we all saw in the first episode (unless of course you were stupid enough to miss it). But anyway, I didn't come on here to write a review, I came here to defend a very good actor, and a very good drama series, so lay the fuck off him. Unless of course you can do better... [/b]

Hi Mitts
Ta Ta
Marky B [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[samkydd]

(Mittens2317 @ Nov 21 2005, 09:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> What the f everyone got against Vincent? Okay, I'm sorry that the director chose to film it in the better half of England, and for once a superior city is chosen over London, but that's no reason to slag off a very good series. The acting from Winstone was better than you're giving him credit for, and the director side-stepped the cliche of Ray ending up with Beth. The music captured the feel of Manchester in the Autumn/Winter seasons (and I don't give a f what time is was set, so stfu). The whole concept of the series was good anyway, as you usually just see the shit that the police have to put up with, but to see it from a different point of view - but the same side of the law - is quite refreshing imo. It also puts out a strong message about the truth too - coz maybe sometimes the truth is just too much to handle, as we all saw in the first episode (unless of course you were stupid enough to miss it). But anyway, I didn't come on here to write a review, I came here to defend a very good actor, and a very good drama series, so lay the f off him. Unless of course you can do better... [/b]

Yes Hi Mitts! Glad you could contribute something constructive to the topic. At school do you hit people for not liking Oasis or Man U? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boxing.gif[/img]

[mittens2317]

(samkydd @ Nov 22 2005, 08:06 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Yes Hi Mitts! Glad you could contribute something constructive to the topic. At school do you hit people for not liking Oasis or Man U? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boxing.gif[/img] [/b]

That's hilarious considering the fact that I'm a Blue, and I don't go to school. I suppose you have a much more mature life though, going on the Internet just to slag something off.....