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Originally Posted by duffy moon
I remember a fellow student who was on the mature side, and a little obnoxious , giving a micro lesson to a group of student teachers of English as a foreign language, he was understandably a little nervous, first time and all, and hit them with the caveat of received wisdom, that using that particular idea, I before E etc, would knock the class dead with its' simplicity and applicabilty as a golden rule of veritability. To which I, quipped, 'What about weird then, or either, neither, protein,codein, neighbour, sleigh, caffeine, leisure,weight, height, farenheit, feign and seize then?'
He was in the spot we had all been in before when having been on the receiving end of some of his awkward questioning previously. Turning a deep russett red, lakes of sweat appearing under the armpits of his jacket and roasting on a spit which was now slowly being turned by the whole class in enjoyment. Fabulous I can tell you. He did see the funny side afterwards though.
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Hmm, nobody likes a smart arse - but I think what happened here was he was a bit out of his depth and didn't tell you the whole story.
The actual rule is this:
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i before e except after c when (and only when) the sound is "ee"
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If the "ie/ei" dipthong is pronounced as "ay" "eh" or "i" the game is off!
Thus of your list: either, neither, neighbour, sleigh, leisure, weight, height, farenheit, and feign are
not exceptions! (yes I know you can pronounce either/neither with "ee" or "i" sounds - but "let's call the whole thing off" isn't very helpful!

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So we're left with codein - actually codeine - and caffeine. Both names of substances and there are few rules for spelling names - I also suspect you'll find folks who pronounce them -
ine.
Weird and seize are exceptions! I remember wEIrd because it is a wEIrd spelling.
English is about 92% rule based - it's the 8% that causes the difficulty.