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    Falsehoods pedelled by Michael Powell in his autobiography are in bold.....





    They made the critics scream, but now these films are classics



    Fifty years ago both Psycho and Peeping Tom – Michael Powell's masterpiece about a serial killer with a camera – were condemned. Geoffrey Macnab explores how we changed our minds about them, and others



    Friday, 18 June 2010



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    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...s-2003140.html





    It is 50 years now since the beatific-faced Carl Boehm played a duffel-coat wearing serial killer, trying to catch the moment of his female victims' death on camera, in Michael Powell's Peeping Tom (1960.) The critics were utterly dismissive of what is now considered one of the most influential films in British cinema history. Tabloids and broadsheets were equally coruscating. Powell's masterpiece was "the sickest, filthiest film I remember seeing," according to The Spectator, "loathsome", at least to Alexander Walker of the London Evening Standard, "perverted nonsense" in the eyes of the Daily Worker; worthy only of being shovelled up and flushed "swiftly down the nearest sewer" in the words of Tribune. The Observer's critic professed herself "sickened" before making an indignant and early exit from the press screening.



    "They cancelled the British distribution, and they sold the negative as soon as they could to an obscure black-marketeer of films who tried to forget it, and forgotten it was, along with its director, for 20 years," Powell wrote in his memoir Million-Dollar Movie.



    The story of how Peeping Tom was championed by Martin Scorsese (among others) has often been told. In hindsight, it is apparent that the critical revulsion toward the film was prompted not by its formal or aesthetic shortcomings but because of its subject matter. A self-reflexive film about scopophilia and the murderous gaze was never likely to appeal to British reviewers of the period. Even the ones who hated it the most acknowledged that Powell had "remarkable technical gifts" and praised the acting and cinematography. Their gripes were with a story (by Leo Marks) driven by "sadism, sex, and the exploitation of human degradation."



    Peeping Tom is far from the only film reviled by critics and distrusted by audiences on its first appearance and then reclaimed as a masterpiece a short while later. Only a few weeks after the release of Peeping Tom, several British critics were similarly discomfited by Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. "Psycho analysis – I didn't like it," quipped the headline of the London Evening News review. After listing all the scenes he disapproved of ("a naked girl being grabbed over and over again when she takes a shower," "a young man preserving with chemicals the body of his mother whom he has murdered"), the reviewer concluded that "Hitchcock has tarnished a once great reputation."



    The Evening Standard's Alexander Walker called Psycho as "a stomach-churning, nasty essay into horror... what nauseates one is [Hitchcock's] sick relish of anything in it that is perverted or blood-spattered. And much is." Meanwhile, The Daily Telegraph called the film "a curious, disappointing piece which, for all its modern setting and psychological background, recalls old-fashioned or Victorian melodramas by its very absurdity." The veteran British director seems to have factored in a measure of critical revulsion as a useful part of the marketing campaign. The mixed notices did nothing at all to dent the box-office returns for Psycho.



    One film now acknowledged as a cast-iron modern classic but almost destroyed at birth by critical bile was Arthur Penn's Bonnie and Clyde (1967). "A cheap piece of bald-faced slapstick comedy... it leaves an astonished critic wondering just what purpose Mr Penn and Mr Beatty think they serve with this strangely antique, sentimental claptrap," Bosley Crowther, the all-powerful critic of The New York Times, fulminated. Crowther was a representative of the old guard. He didn't like the combination of slapstick and lurid violence in Bonnie and Clyde. Nor did he appreciate "Miss Dunaway squirming grossly as his thrill-seeking, sex-starved moll". Other US reviewers were hostile too. Time magazine decided that the real fault with Bonnie and Clyde was its "sheer, tasteless aimlessness". New York magazine decided that "slop is slop, even served with a silver ladle."



    These critics' hostility risked being as lethal as the machine-gun fire at the end of Bonnie and Clyde when it came to the film's commercial prospects. Thankfully for Warren Beatty and Co, their movie was championed by a new generation of critics including Pauline Kael in The New Yorker and her rival Andrew Sarris in The Village Voice. After its lacklustre US opening, it was eventually re-released to Oscars, huge acclaim and box-office success. Some of its original detractors even revised their views, belatedly accepting that the film was ground-breaking and that its use of violence was justified.



    The US critics' disdain for Bonnie and Clyde was matched by the contempt that the French in 1939 showed toward Jean Renoir's The Rules of the Game. The film now regularly nestles close to the top of critics' polls but was a disaster on its original release. Renoir was attacked for having had the gall to satirise the French aristocracy on the eve of the Second World War. The film did no business at the box-office and ended up being banned by the Nazis anyway. "I wanted to depict a society dancing on a volcano," the director said of his portrayal of the frivolous upper-classes, seemingly oblivious to the historical forces that were about to engulf them. Audiences in late 1930s France were in no mood to heed Renoir's warnings.



    Throughout cinema history, visionary directors have often left audiences and critics baffled. Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey attracted barbs. The Los Angeles Times complained about its "deliberate obscurantism." Renata Adler in The New York Times complained about what she thought "a very complicated, languid movie... so completely absorbed in its own problems, its use of colour and space, its fanatical devotion to science-fiction detail, that it is somewhere between hypnotic and immensely boring".



    Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate, seen as a masterpiece by many Europeans, flopped at least partly because the influential critic Vincent Canby suggested, in The New York Times, that watching it was "like a forced, four-hour walking tour of one's own living room."



    There are plentiful recent examples of films being dismissed by critics before being fast-tracked into the canon of modern classics. "War may be hell, but watching war movies can also be hell, especially when they don't get to the point," trade paper Variety wrote of Kathryn Bigelow's Oscar winner The Hurt Locker, adding that the film didn't "bring anything new to the table of grunts-in-the-firing-line movies."



    Now that they're reached the grand old age of 50, both Peeping Tom and Psycho have attained a respectability that would have seemed very unlikely back in 1960. Rather than being flushed down the nearest sewer, the former is likely to be the subject of earnest articles and highbrow TV and radio discussions when it is re-released later this year. Psycho, meanwhile, is probably Hitchcock's best-known film, endlessly revived and imitated.



    You can't accuse critics and audiences of simply getting it wrong. They called it as they saw it. Those reviewers who savaged Peeping Tom or cinema-goers who booed The Rules of the Game were (one must assume) behaving with all sincerity. They didn't like what they were seeing on screen and they found their own ways of expressing their disdain. Years later, these films have been reassessed and the original verdicts against them have long since been set aside. Powell lived to see his reputation rehabilitated, even if he was living in poverty in a cottage in the Cotswolds when Martin Scorsese began to champion his work.



    But you can't help but feel a nagging suspicion that some film-makers whose work has been reassessed will miss their old notoriety. After all, although bad reviews can be immensely damaging, there is nothing quite as deadening as critical respectability.

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    Alexander Walker doesn't tend to come off very well in this sort of discussion, appearing utterly humourless and censorious. This is probably unfair to his memory, but people only remember a critic's slag-offs as a rule.

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    The Rules of the Game was acknowledged as an outstanding film when it was released. There was no 'rehabilitation' process.



    And 'masterpiece' is a very strong and often carelessly used word.

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    name='TimR' date='18 June 2010 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1276872003' post='441389']

    The Rules of the Game was acknowledged as an outstanding film when it was released. There was no 'rehabilitation' process.
    Sorry Tim, but it was actually received with great hostility on it's original release.



    From the Janus Films website ....



    "It took decades for Jean Renoir’s The Rules of the Game to be recognized as a masterpiece. The film received terribly negative reviews and even provoked near riots in Paris upon its release. As a result, Renoir cut twenty-three minutes from the original version. And even then, it was banned by the French government. The original negative was destroyed during World War II, and only in 1959 was the film fully reconstructed from surviving prints and embraced by audiences and critics alike."

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    CA Lejeune panned The Adventures of Robin Hood

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    Well, I remember writing about Barry Lyndon for a national newspaper and saying how utterly boring and solemn and meaningless it all was. What on earth was Kubrick doing? That sort of thing. Now it's possibly my all-time favourite movie. Several US critics who panned 2001 made return visits, saw how the movie was attuned to the modern audience, and changed their minds. Most critics panned Vertigo and now it's a masterpiece. Etc etc. The list of examples is endless.

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    Psycho didn't receive the almost universal condemnation Peeping Tom did on first release. It was more a mixed bag. And the Hurt Locker received mostly strong reviews when it came out. There are always some movie critics who pan otherwise favorably received movies. There are certainly movies that were mostly panned and are now classics.

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    name='Lord Brett' date='18 June 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1276871933' post='441387']

    Alexander Walker doesn't tend to come off very well in this sort of discussion, appearing utterly humourless and censorious. This is probably unfair to his memory, but people only remember a critic's slag-offs as a rule.




    I think it really rather representative of Walker actually - he seemed almost entirely humourless to me. Curious, too, how he rarely criticised any of Kubrick's work (A Clockwork Orange, for instance, which runs Peeping Tom and Psycho pretty close for 'nastiness'). Could this be because he cultivated a friendship with Stanley which would have been jeopardised had he slagged him off ?

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    name='Lord Brett' date='18 June 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1276871933' post='441387']

    Alexander Walker doesn't tend to come off very well in this sort of discussion, appearing utterly humourless and censorious. This is probably unfair to his memory, but people only remember a critic's slag-offs as a rule.
    Alexander Walker doesn't tend to come off well in any sort of discussion, especially when he's the one speaking



    In the documentary about Peeping Tom, A Very British Psycho (available on the Criterion DVD and some others) he not only defended his initial scathing review but he also called it a "snuff film" - despite the fact that the only death we actually see is that of Mark.



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    name='Steve Crook' date='19 June 2010 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1276906278' post='441592']

    Alexander Walker doesn't tend to come off well in any sort of discussion, especially when he's the one speaking



    In the documentary about Peeping Tom, A Very British Psycho (available on the Criterion DVD and some others) he not only defended his initial scathing review but he also called it a "snuff film" - despite the fact that the only death we actually see is that of Mark.



    Steve




    Yes, I always found that a curious comment - a 'snuff film' is, to my mind, something altogether different.

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    name='julian_craster' date='18 June 2010 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1276868901' post='441372']

    Falsehoods pedelled by Michael Powell in his autobiography are in bold.....

    ...

    It is 50 years now since the beatific-faced Carl Boehm played a duffel-coat wearing serial killer, trying to catch the moment of his female victims' death on camera, in Michael Powell's Peeping Tom (1960.) The critics were utterly dismissive of what is now considered one of the most influential films in British cinema history. Tabloids and broadsheets were equally coruscating. Powell's masterpiece was "the sickest, filthiest film I remember seeing," according to The Spectator, "loathsome", at least to Alexander Walker of the London Evening Standard, "perverted nonsense" in the eyes of the Daily Worker; worthy only of being shovelled up and flushed "swiftly down the nearest sewer" in the words of Tribune. The Observer's critic professed herself "sickened" before making an indignant and early exit from the press screening.



    "They cancelled the British distribution, and they sold the negative as soon as they could to an obscure black-marketeer of films who tried to forget it, and forgotten it was, along with its director, for 20 years," Powell wrote in his memoir Million-Dollar Movie.
    Was it a falsehood that the film was called Peeping Tom?



    I'm afraid that the falsehood about it having its distribution cancelled and being sold to an obscure black-marketeer has entered the common memory and is quoted quite regularly. Poor old Micky, he has one slip of the memory from an event he'd rather forget from a quarter century ago, a memory dragged up while he was dying of cancer, and people still have a go at him about it



    It's not the only "slip of the memory" in his generally accurate autobiographies. Columba has commented that Micky did sometimes edit his memory like he was editing a film. It was usually to make a better story rather than to necessarily put him in a better light.



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    Two other movies that were badly received by both critics and the public now considered classics are Gun Crazy and Night of the Hunter. I'm rather mystified about the harsh reaction to Night of the Hunter because unlike Peeping Tom, which took more than two decades for critical assessment to change, it was already at classic status in the 1960s.



    http://www.filmforno.com/?p=1076



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/c...a-screens.html

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    Zulu got an absolutely lousy review in the Guardian: "...action and reaction following each other as boringly and as remorselessly as the clicks of a death watch beetle -- and with much the same effect." (Richard Roud, Guardian, 21 Jan, 1964)



    You know, there are a lot of things one can complain about regarding Zulu, but -- boring?

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    name='Ivytree' date='21 June 2010 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1277154359' post='442604']

    Zulu got an absolutely lousy review in the Guardian: "...action and reaction following each other as boringly and as remorselessly as the clicks of a death watch beetle -- and with much the same effect." (Richard Roud, Guardian, 21 Jan, 1964)



    You know, there are a lot of things one can complain about regarding Zulu, but -- boring?


    "Zulu" can get a bit tedious when one is trying to count up the number of warriors, especially if they don't stand still.....

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    The Long Goodbye also received mostly bad reviews, largely because it angered critics by its irreverent approach to the Raymond Chandler novel. It wasn't popular with the public either. But I saw it when it was first released and thought it was great. I always assumed Robert Aldrich ignored the screenplay by Leigh Brackett, a veteran writer who worked on many Howard Hawks' films, including The Big Sleep, but it turns out the shocking ending was in her script and Aldrich told the producer he would only do the movie if her ending was used. The producer wanted either Robert Mitchum or Lee Marvin, but Aldrich wanted Elliott Gould, which wasn't an easy sell because he hadn't worked for two years due to erratic behavior on his last movie.

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    name='Rick C' date='22 June 2010 - 05:09 AM' timestamp='1277179786' post='442657']

    "Zulu" can get a bit tedious when one is trying to count up the number of warriors, especially if they don't stand still.....
    They do tend to keep still towards the end



    But then there's all that "Front rank - Fire. Middle rank - Fire. Rear rank - Fire. Front rank - Fire"

    It does all get a bit repetitious



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    name='will.15' date='22 June 2010 - 05:47 AM' timestamp='1277182047' post='442662']

    The Long Goodbye also received mostly bad reviews, largely because it angered critics by its irreverent approach to the Raymond Chandler novel. It wasn't popular with the public either. But I saw it when it was first released and thought it was great. I always assumed Robert Aldrich ignored the screenplay by Leigh Brackett, a veteran writer who worked on many Howard Hawks' films, including The Big Sleep, but it turns out the shocking ending was in her script and Aldrich told the producer he would only do the movie if her ending was used. The producer wanted either Robert Mitchum or Lee Marvin, but Aldrich wanted Elliott Gould, which wasn't an easy sell because he hadn't worked for two years due to erratic behavior on his last movie.


    I believe it was Robert Altman who directed The Long Goodbye which incidentally caused me to fall into a Long Sleep as did so many of Altman films(what was the shock ending). He finally compromised his art house approach with Gosford Park which is a very engaging film.

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    name='thatllbetheday' date='22 June 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1277227463' post='442908']

    I believe it was Robert Altman who directed The Long Goodbye which incidentally caused me to fall into a Long Sleep as did so many of Altman films(what was the shock ending). He finally compromised his art house approach with Gosford Park which is a very engaging film.
    I always confuse those names (but not the director. I was thinking Altman).



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    name='will.15' date='22 June 2010 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1277228074' post='442910']

    I always confuse those names (but not the director. I was thinking Altman).



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    Oh yes I remember now. I must have woken up just before the end.

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    name='will.15' date='22 June 2010 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1277228074' post='442910']

    I always confuse those names (but not the director. I was thinking Altman).



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