How far should we go with animals in films?

[alan french]

Hi,
Some may find this an emotive subject, but I think it is an important one.

Many films have, whether they be documentary or for entertainment, have featured animals.

How far do Britmovie members think we should go with animals when any of them are featured mildly or not, on television or cinema?

Alan French.

[jaycad]

I think speaking parts are taking things too far!

[Moor Larkin]

I think speaking parts are taking things too far!

The things they made the horses do in the old days were appalling.....

[Heinrich]

The current code of humane treatment seems to work well.

[GRAEME]

Chickens' heads being shot off in Peckinpah's Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. Actually they used charges. But they were live chickens. In Mexico back then, you could do stuff like that!

I guess CGI might negate a lot of the "need" for real animal cruelty. You can have horses being blown apart these days rather than [politely rolling over and getting up again in battle scenes.

Oddly, some folk would object almost as much at CGI animal suffering as they would at the real thing.

[Timmy_Lea]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by how far we should go?!?

[Mr Sloane]

Well obviously not as far as Troy Mc Clure.

[Timmy_Lea]

Well obviously not as far as Troy Mc Clure.

Or 'Animal Farm'. . .

[bruiser15]

Not all the way on a first date

[Rowdon]

I was surprised to see Gael Garcia Bernal twist a chicken's head off in Babel - it looked real, but I thought it had been prohibited by 2006. And I can't believe the stories around when Arachnophobia came out that no spiders were stamped on or killed; they claimed that the shoe-heels and books were hollowed out on the down side ...

[Timmy_Lea]

We will never see the days of Cannibal Holocaust again. . .

Anyone for turtle soup?

[Steve Crook]

I was surprised to see Gael Garcia Bernal twist a chicken's head off in Babel - it looked real, but I thought it had been prohibited by 2006.

Steve

[Moor Larkin]

I recall that a major scene in "Nor the Moon by Night" is the shooting of a Bull Elephant, which drops like a stone. The scene looks very much like an insert however - from documentary footage presumably. However there is another scene where Patrick McGoohan looks to be definitely clubbing a snake to bits and another bizarre one where he is fighting a male lion and the lion is certainly unconscious through sedative by the time he rolls out from under it, or it is dead - I assume the former.



Some of the horses in Zarak must have been killed, judging from the falls some of them seem to make, but I wonder if any were. I know a stunt man did lose his life on that movie, but whether it was linked to a stunt gone wrong or just sheer accident, I have no idea.

[Timmy_Lea]

Good music. & I like the bird holding the white bird.

[CaptainWaggett]

Edison started it

[jaycad]

Edison started it

Of all the shocking videos that I've seen,that one is one of three that disturbed me-awful stuff!

[CaptainWaggett]

Of all the shocking videos that I've seen,that one is one of three that disturbed me-awful stuff!

Sorry - should have said that people should really check the link before watching .

[jaycad]

Sorry - should have said that people should really check the link before watching .

I'd seen the video before and was talking in past tense-I'm sure that most people here have seen or are aware of the Edison Elephant 'Experiment'.

[Timmy_Lea]

Edison started it

I'm sure the elephant was guilty. . .

[Steve Crook]

I'm sure the elephant was guilty. . .

She was guilty of getting involved in Edison's campaign to show that AC was more dangerous than DC.

Oh, she had also killed 3 men in as many years

Steve