Full films on youtube

[Richard_in_wales]

Is it my imagination or are youtube allowing more full length films to be posted?



Lots of old sci fi / horror films .

[Steve Crook]

Is it my imagination or are youtube allowing more full length films to be posted?



Lots of old sci fi / horror films .

They always did allow them - until someone complains about breach of copyright.
They are usually only loaded in parts because that's all the person uploading them can manage before their browser times out
As people get faster connections they will be able to upload longer and longer segments

Steve

[Windyridge]

Really pleased to find this.

[Richard_in_wales]

No, seem a lot more lenient these days, I had one of my video's removed because of the obscure sound track I'd added! I think I can upload 1Gb on my account because of the amount I've put up? That said, I suspect many of these old films are now in the Public Domain.

Another good site is Browse All Videos - Stagevu: Your View A bit hit and miss in the range but the quality is usually good and the download speeds excellent plus no need to use torrent software.

http://stagevu.com/video/nzqhjnyoqijm

:)

[jimw1]

This Gem is Back on YT...........

[Steve Crook]

No, seem a lot more lenient these days, I had one of my video's removed because of the obscure sound track I'd added! I think I can upload 1Gb on my account because of the amount I've put up? That said, I suspect many of these old films are now in the Public Domain.

Not if they're British films. There are different rules about copyright in almost every country. In the States you only get copyright for a few years and if you don't renew it then it becomes "public domain". In the UK copyright remains for a number of years (which actually varies depending on when the film was made as they change the laws) after the death of all the creators of the film (usually taken to mean the directors & writers). So many British films made 100 years ago are still in copyright

Steve

[DB7]

How do you get past the 15minute limit? Do you have to pay a subscription?

[Richard_in_wales]

How do you get past the 15minute limit? Do you have to pay a subscription?

I think its down to the number of views your videos get some of mine have been 'hit' several thousand times, perhaps the amount of subscribers to your channel helps. You get a message off them one day, I can't remember all the details to be honest; I can certainly upload a full length film in HD (HD would be subject to length/size, @720 would be fine) if I needed to.

I doubt youtube USA is overly worried about UK Public Domain issues with an old film unless some grumpy fart reports it. Really the likes of youtube and veoh.com could well be the source of rare material in years to come. There is some cracking stuff tucked away on veoh.

[Steve Crook]

I doubt youtube USA is overly worried about UK Public Domain issues with an old film unless some grumpy fart reports it.

Some grumpy fart like the person who made the film and who is meant to be being paid for each screening of the film?
They do pay attention

Steve

[CaptainWaggett]

Not if they're British films. There are different rules about copyright in almost every country. In the States you only get copyright for a few years and if you don't renew it then it becomes "public domain". In the UK copyright remains for a number of years (which actually varies depending on when the film was made as they change the laws) after the death of all the creators of the film (usually taken to mean the directors & writers). So many British films made 100 years ago are still in copyright

Steve

It's 70 years and I don't think it matters when the film was made - when the copyright period was extended from 50 years, it was retrospective so a number of authors went back into copyright. I doubt there are any public domain British films - even Rescued by Rover (1905) has another 20 years to go.

Intellectual Property Office - Written, Theatrical, Musical, Artistic and Film

[Richard_in_wales]

Some grumpy fart like the person who made the film and who is meant to be being paid for each screening of the film?
They do pay attention

Steve

Why are all these films on youtube then? are cast and producers all dead? I'm surprised some annoying pedant does not spend time reporting them.

[Steve Crook]

Why are all these films on youtube then? are cast and producers all dead? I'm surprised some annoying pedant does not spend time reporting them.

They often have better things to do with their time than continually monitor YouTube and other sites to see who is offering pirated (for that is what it is) versions of their films. But when they discover them, or when they are pointed out to them, then they tell YouTube (or whoever) and they are usually taken down very quickly. Haven't you ever seen a link to a title on YouTube and when you try to play it, it says it's been removed because of copyright violation?

The people who uploaded it are usually warned and if they do it again their account is blocked

Steve

[lostamerican]

I just uploaded my first little clip of a movie and it was quite a thrill. Don't really know what I'm doing, but it came out alright. I don't care if its called piracy or theft or whatever AS LONG AS the movie is being held back from half the world so someone, somewhere can feel richer or more powerful. If the film is easily available for purchase and is famous, then there's no excuse, of gourse buy or rent legitimately, but just try getting some of the old British noir films in the States. Good luck! As far as just a clip on youtube being immoral, I can tell you, they encourage me to buy the movies and tv shows I see there. How would I know to buy Ill Met by Moonlight if I've never heard of it or seen it? I think just possibly this is starting to occur to those people that hold old copyrights. Its good advertising for old material. Thank you to whoever uploaded The Case of the Frightened Lady to Youtube, it was great fun to watch AND I HAD NEVER HEARD OF IT.

[Steve Crook]

I just uploaded my first little clip of a movie and it was quite a thrill. Don't really know what I'm doing, but it came out alright. I don't care if its called piracy or theft or whatever AS LONG AS the movie is being held back from half the world so someone, somewhere can feel richer or more powerful. If the film is easily available for purchase and is famous, then there's no excuse, of gourse buy or rent legitimately, but just try getting some of the old British noir films in the States. Good luck! As far as just a clip on youtube being immoral, I can tell you, they encourage me to buy the movies and tv shows I see there. How would I know to buy Ill Met by Moonlight if I've never heard of it or seen it? I think just possibly this is starting to occur to those people that hold old copyrights. Its good advertising for old material. Thank you to whoever uploaded The Case of the Frightened Lady to Youtube, it was great fun to watch AND I HAD NEVER HEARD OF IT.

But what if the movie was being held back from a DVD or video release because the rights holder didn't want people to copy it illegally, if they only wanted people to see it in cinemas - after they'd paid their admission fee?

As for old British noir films not being available in the States. They don't have to be. With the wonder that is the internet you can but them anywhere and it's quite easy to get them to play in any country, even America

Steve

[MikeB]

Strangely enough, some film-makers don't mind their films being pirated. The chap behind Troma explains in one of his books that although they have no distribution status in Holland or Russia (and most other places), online pirating has meant that loads of people have seen their films in those countries, and have created a fanbase.

That fanbase will go to theatrical releases, will buy offical DVD's (when available) and will buy offical streaming films. Certainly you could argue that clips of older films act as tasters or trailers for a new generation. However, in general, illegal streaming is bad news, not only for the people who made it (and who get nothing), but also possibly to those who download, because of the hard line the studios are taking.

[lostamerican]

Why doesn't some big reputable institution whose business it is to archive film like BFI for example, be put in charge of selling all material over 30-40 years old to the consumer, and distributing the profits to the rightful owner. I would definitely pay, and then I could have a place to look for things I'd never heard of. I've been looking for one old film for weeks, and the only extant copy on the planet apparently is at the Library of Congress in Washington DC, and the only way they'll let you see it is by appointment in their viewing room, if you're a credentialed researcher. Not the intention of the movie makers, actors, or anyone else, I'm sure. There's one company selling dvds of it dubbed in German, and I don't speak that of course. I'm thinking of buying it and lip reading. How pathetic.

[Steve Crook]

Why doesn't some big reputable institution whose business it is to archive film like BFI for example, be put in charge of selling all material over 30-40 years old to the consumer, and distributing the profits to the rightful owner. I would definitely pay, and then I could have a place to look for things I'd never heard of. I've been looking for one old film for weeks, and the only extant copy on the planet apparently is at the Library of Congress in Washington DC, and the only way they'll let you see it is by appointment in their viewing room, if you're a credentialed researcher. Not the intention of the movie makers, actors, or anyone else, I'm sure. There's one company selling dvds of it dubbed in German, and I don't speak that of course. I'm thinking of buying it and lip reading. How pathetic.

In many cases nobody is sure who the rights holder is - just that it's still in copyright.

Screening & distribution rights tend to be owned by companies rather than individuals and they may be different for different territories and be available for different lengths of time. When a company folds or is about to fold they often sell whatever right they have, and they often sell them in batches for a group of films. Then, the company that bought one batch might buy other batches for other films and when they fold they package up the rights in different batches and sell them to different people.

It keeps lawyers busy, and rich, trying to keep track of it all

Steve

[orpheum2]

I would mention that it is possible to view at the BFI viewing services many films which have never been seen since their last theatrical screening and are unlikely to be seen on video.Whilst it is not quite the same as having the DVD it is nevertheless at least possible to view many unknown films ,particularly in my case from the 30s.

[lostamerican]

Maybe I just don't understand how to use BFI. If there are videos on the website I have yet to access them. How do you do that? If you mean that a person can go there and view things that doesn't help me. Too bad. I'm surprised at how many things are known about to the extent that they are written about in Wikepedia or websites like this, but they cannot be found or viewed anywhere. I'm not ready to give up yet though.

[Steve Crook]

Maybe I just don't understand how to use BFI. If there are videos on the website I have yet to access them. How do you do that? If you mean that a person can go there and view things that doesn't help me. Too bad. I'm surprised at how many things are known about to the extent that they are written about in Wikepedia or websites like this, but they cannot be found or viewed anywhere. I'm not ready to give up yet though.

The BFI is the British Film Institute, somewhat like the AFI. They also have a large archive of films that they are keeping for posterity but they don't have the rights to publicly screen a lot of those films. They can however show them to individuals who visit one of the BFI sites (not web sites, physical locations). Not everything is available on the web yet and not everything has been released on DVD or other media for purchase

Steve