Do Chavs learn Extreme Violence from films

[batman]

Originally Posted by Moor Larkin One of the things I also notice about Chavs/Thug discussion (this Thread I spawned after reading a more generalised one elsewhere on the forum) is that it is always somebody elses problem, somebody elses fault.

I don't believe all of us who contributed to this thread abdicated responsibilty for the 'Chav' phenomena .... speaking for myself I hold 'society' (all of us) responsible, and it is only by co-operating and communicating with each other in a rational manner that we'll ever get ourselves out of the mess we're in at the moment. Unfortunately that sort of solution is scuppered by the knee-jerk reactions of the media who stir up conflict between the various factions, the ineffectiveness of the police, the apathy of the general public and by the Chavs themselves, who seem to thrive upon the chaos and heartbreak they cause.

Bats .

[Moor Larkin]

Originally Posted by DB7 How can you seriously censor Youtube?

There was a piece on the radio world service this morning about China's policing of the web. Apparently a little yellow man (I kid you not) pops up in the bottom corner of the screen reminding surfers that it is illegal to..... they mentioned Gambling, Porn and something else that I've forgotten already.

I gather Yahoo are now being sued in America for 'shopping' some Chinese web-users who went to illegal places. Yahoo's defence is that they were obeying the law........ in China

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Moor Larkin There was a piece on the radio world service this morning about China's policing of the web. Apparently a little yellow man (I kid you not) pops up in the bottom corner of the screen reminding surfers that it is illegal to..... they mentioned Gambling, Porn and something else that I've forgotten already. I gather Yahoo are now being sued in America for 'shopping' some Chinese web-users who went to illegal places. Yahoo's defence is that they were obeying the law........ in China

Breaking the law in China can have very dire consequences, I beleive they uphold the death penalty for an endless list of offences including forgetting to pay your taxes and other minor misdemeanours, yahoo can be proud of themselves in the knowledge that they could have possibly aided the chinese authorities in incarcerating (or worse) some hapless internet user.

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by DB7 The name Charlie Brooker would signfy the article was a pi**-take.

Who's Charlie Brooker? Never heard of him

Steve

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Who's Charlie Brooker? Never heard of him Steve

[IMDB]Charlie Brooker[/IMDB]

[penfold]

Originally Posted by DB7 [imdb]Charlie Brooker[/imdb]

And in The Guardian, every Monday.

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Moor Larkin There was a piece on the radio world service this morning about China's policing of the web.

We could never go down that route for legal reasons. As it is we have a problem firewalling genuine illegal content like paedophile sites.

I don't like seeing the BNP on Youtube but you've got to take the rough with the smooth.

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by DB7 How can you seriously censor Youtube? I saw ITV News kicking up a stink last night but they're all too happy to show excerpts from Al Queda 'promos' of attacks on Allied soldiers or captured Westerners.

A news programme having double standards? How unusual

Steve

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by DB7 [imdb]Charlie Brooker[/imdb]

Thanks, but I've still never heard of him - until his mentions here

Steve

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook A news programme having double standards? How unusual Steve

File under loss of trust in broadcasters. I had to laugh when a subsequent article described Lee Hughes as a 'Superstar footballer' and 'Premiership striker'. He's never had an England cap and never scored a goal in the top-flight - but it appeared they wanted to garner a sense of moral outrage.

[Carmel]

I think that if we teach our children right from wrong at an early age then they learn to respect people and things, as a child never would i answer an adult back or vandalised someone elses property because we were brought up with respect not enough family values exist today parents half time dont know where their kids are or what they are doing and a lot dont really care which is a shame. I think if people start looking after their kids the way were looked after and taught it would at least give our children a better start in life and a better attitude. Children also know they cant be hit in schools or given a clout round the ear and they play on that it never did us no harm and we grew up better for it.

[Moor Larkin]

Originally Posted by DB7 File under loss of trust in broadcasters. I had to laugh when a subsequent article described Lee Hughes as a 'Superstar footballer' and 'Premiership striker'. He's never had an England cap and never scored a goal in the top-flight - but it appeared they wanted to garner a sense of moral outrage.

Interestingly, my son, who had watched the awesome Vinnie Jones only the night before, woke from his fitful 'Uh the news is on' doze, to call out across the settee:
"Mean Machine!! I didn't know it was a true story.........."



Oh! The shame of spawning a chav.........

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Moor Larkin "Mean Machine!! I didn't know it was a true story.........."

I did have to chuckle when they said Lee Hughes will have to wait to make his debut..... because he was sent-off playing for the prison team!

[clitheroekid]

Originally Posted by Moor Larkin the awesome Vinnie Jones

Now there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one...

[Phil Turner]

Originally Posted by christoph404 I always thought blaming films or TV programes for the ills in our society has been a major excuse and cop out for various governments over the years who want to hang the tension and unrest caused by unemployment and social depravation etc on something more tangible, and deflect attention from their own failure and inneptitude at addressing problems of crime and violence in our society. If you were to look at life in the USA for example, a very high murder rate using guns, and I don't think thats because US citizens watch too many westerns or gangster films, isn't it to do with a constitution that encourages gun ownership and makes them available on the next shelf to your breakfast cereal? I have always thought that the notion that violent films or TV programmes contribute to the crime and violence in our society to be utter S***E , it has been a theory advanced by the likes of Mary Whitehouse and others in the past and politicians generally don't dare to use that excuse any more because the public aren't prepared to be hoodwinked by that fantasy any more and rightly ridicule such silly notions. There are violent and unlawful people in this world and there always has been and posibly always will be, law abiding normal people are not transformed into gun weilding homicidal maniacs by watching a violent film, or a violent play(Shakespeare?) or reading a novel or comic containing violent scenarios.

I must respectfully disagree christoph. Obviously, the link between screen violence and violence in society can't be proved either way .... it's really just a matter of opinion. However, surely it's possible that impressionable individuals (with a propensity for aggressive behaviour) could be influenced by graphic depictions of violence, sex or language, used gratuitously by irresponsible filmmakers. In the same way that a romantic film can provoke an emotional response in a sentimental person, then why can't extreme depictions of violence, sex or language provoke an aggressive response in a less well-adjusted individual?

Of course, many factors influence anti-social behaviour and you make many valid points, but I do believe that cinema can play a powerful role in legitimising certain forms of conduct. After all, why would advertisers spend millions if visual images didn't get inside our minds and influence our attitudes?

As a frequent cinemagoer, I think that the relaxation of censorship in recent decades has actually stifled creativity and imagination. Too often nuance and subtlety (of plot and character) are sacrificed, as filmmakers lazily use extremes of violence, sex and language to communicate a mood.

Regards
Phil Turner