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[Wolfgang]

Some people just don't like that environment. I think sooner or later they will have to release film simultaneously on all formats: cinema/DVD/download and then cinema attendance will rapidly drop off. They have had their cake and eaten it these last couple of decades in having 2 markets - home and cinema - to sell to but it isn't going to last. I suppose that is why you have directors like James Cameron seriously looking at 3D again.

[batman]

I would be very surprised if films are released on all formats simultaneously. Cinema audiences are going up worldwide which indicates that people still want to see a film in the cinema. DVD sales are such a nice earner on top of box office take I can't see the big studios going for it. Anything that might reduce their earning potential is a non-starter IMHO.



I am quite upfront by saying that I will quite happily get hold of a 'bootleg' of an old film I cannot buy retail, but will replace it with a retail copy if one becomes available.



However, I would never buy a 'bootleg' of a future cinema release, no matter how desperately I wanted to see it, and I rarely go to the cinema these days. I am happy to wait for it to be released on DVD legitimately, after all, it's not that long a wait.



My boy wants to see the Transformers movie and I have been offered copies of this film, but I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. It's out in December, just a few months after it's cinema release. That's surely not too long to wait, is it?



Bats.

[Wolfgang]

DVD sales are more than nice earner - they account for about 60% of total revenue so in that sense cinema going effectively acts like 'previews'. Since there are so many awful films being released perhaps cinema is detrimental to DVD market by putting people off buying them.

[DB7]

name='batman']I would be very surprised if films are released on all formats simultaneously. Cinema audiences are going up worldwide which indicates that people still want to see a film in the cinema.

A trip to the flicks is still a recreational pursuit so people will go regardless for the experience and night out. I do agree with Wolfy that piracy (and they will become sharper operaters as technology advances) so I can see a narrowing of the gap between cinema and dvds.



One mistake is that they dont simultaneously release films worldwide. It's premiered in the US and within days a vidcam recording is crossing the globe via the net ready to turn up at car boots.

[batman]

name='DB7']

One mistake is that they dont simultaneously release films worldwide. It's premiered in the US and within days a vidcam recording is crossing the globe via the net ready to turn up at car boots.

I think that is true. If they did it would also do away with the need for region encoded dvds and most people, I feel, would be in favour of that.



Bats.

[batman]

name='Wolfgang']DVD sales are more than nice earner - they account for about 60% of total revenue so in that sense cinema going effectively acts like 'previews'. Since there are so many awful films being released perhaps cinema is detrimental to DVD market by putting people off buying them.

I hadn't realised that the earning % had shifted so much, last time I read about it it was still 35-40%. I take your point about people being put off buying dvds of a rubbish film they saw at the cinema, but surely the dvd rental market could have the same effect.



Bats.

[Dave Edwards]

Batman



You come across sounding like a person who doesn't have an illegal copy of anything in his house.

Which is of course, NOT the case.

name='batman']I would be very surprised if films are released on all formats simultaneously. Cinema audiences are going up worldwide which indicates that people still want to see a film in the cinema. DVD sales are such a nice earner on top of box office take I can't see the big studios going for it. Anything that might reduce their earning potential is a non-starter IMHO.



I am quite upfront by saying that I will quite happily get hold of a 'bootleg' of an old film I cannot buy retail, but will replace it with a retail copy if one becomes available.



However, I would never buy a 'bootleg' of a future cinema release, no matter how desperately I wanted to see it, and I rarely go to the cinema these days. I am happy to wait for it to be released on DVD legitimately, after all, it's not that long a wait.



My boy wants to see the Transformers movie and I have been offered copies of this film, but I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. It's out in December, just a few months after it's cinema release. That's surely not too long to wait, is it?



Bats.

[batman]

name='Dave Edwards']Batman



You come across sounding like a person who doesn't have an illegal copy of anything in his house.

Which is of course, NOT the case.

Try reading ALL of my post ... especially the bit where I state ''I will happily get hold of a bootleg of an old film''.



Also, the most recent film of which I have an ''illegal copy'' dates from the early 80s and has never had a commercial video or dvd release.



Bats.

[Dave Edwards]

Having re-read my message above, in reply to Bats, it sounds like i was taking a cheap shot, and sounds offensive if read as written.



This is the problem with writing something in digital form (email etc).

True meaning and/or expression is lost and can't be conveyed properly.

I most certainly did NOT mean to offend.

The point i was trying to make was that we all have things in our house which aren't entirely Kosher.

You do, i do, we all do.

Even govt depts do !!



There was also supposed to be a smiley at the end of my message, but in my exuberant haste to post, neglected to add it.

The smiley would have left no doubt about the true meaning of the post.



If i have caused any semblance of offense, i unreservedly apologise.

[batman]

name='Dave Edwards']Having re-read my message above, in reply to Bats, it sounds like i was taking a cheap shot, and sounds offensive if read as written.

If i have caused any semblance of offense, i unreservedly apologise.

Cheers Dave.



Bats.

[Aaryk Noctivagus]

name='Dave Edwards']This is the problem with writing something in digital form (email etc).

True meaning and/or expression is lost and can't be conveyed properly.

Welcome to my life in the real world also. Autistics don't pick up on the visual cues, and therefore miss something like 70% of social communication.



To me there is no difference between expressing myself in writing and face-to-face... except in writing, in this form, I make less mistakes because I'm used to trying to second-guess the impact of words away from the benefits of Neuro-Typical Visual Social communication - and the playing field is levelled for me in this medium. Besides, I can spend minutes checking, re-checking and re-re-checking my posts to try and get it right... in the real world, I don't get that chance and am just as blind.



Welcome to my whole world, Dave

[dvdman]

name='Torquemada']That's the beauty of DVD as opposed to VHS - you don't lose any quality when copying because it's just digitalised code.

sadly you do if you dont use high speed dubbing

[narabdela]

name='dvdman']sadly you do if you dont use high speed dubbing

[dvdman]

i did mean from the hard drive to a blank disc

[dougup2]

while working in the industry (legit) I heard of several companies that run 24hrs a day, the night staff would start up machines not due to run that shift and run pirates, however the bosses were implicated in the scam due to pre-mastering/mastering making what is known as fathers, mother and stampers, the way of getting the info onto the subtrate, metalizing (magnatron sputtering). with a 3-3.5 sec cycle time per disc packing also needed to be automated,to cope with volume, even the big companies made cock ups, one got the disney contract and screwed up when layer 0 was a short film for kids but if left to run would switch to layer 1 for a soft porn movie, Not for kids,
a true film for all the family............