Madonna, the scholar of history....

[julian_craster]

I'm afraid she has no credibility at all.....

Next : 'Lady Ga Ga thinks Hitler was quite a nice guy, really' .....


Madonna, the scholar of history:

Madonna | Madonna: 'Edward & Wallis Were Not Nazi Sympathisers' | Contactmusic

[Mr Sloane]

I'm afraid she has no credibility at all.....

Next : 'Lady Ga Ga thinks Hitler was quite a nice guy, really' .....


Madonna, the scholar of history:

Madonna | Madonna: 'Edward & Wallis Were Not Nazi Sympathisers' | Contactmusic

She added, "First of all, the Fbi are notorious for lying and second of all there is actually no empirical evidence that can prove that they were Nazis or Nazi sympathisers."

The empirical evidence is Madonna does not know what empirical means.

[faginsgirl]

I guess we`ve been wrong all along then if Madonna says so

[Mark O]

I'm afraid she has no credibility at all.....

Next : 'Lady Ga Ga thinks Hitler was quite a nice guy, really' .....


Madonna, the scholar of history:


Madonna | Madonna: 'Edward & Wallis Were Not Nazi Sympathisers' | Contactmusic

She's absolutely right, it was mentioned only recently that the Duke and Duchess had to flee to the Bahamas when the Nazi's invaded Paris, they would hardly have done so if they were 'sympathisers' would they now, his brother George was killed on War service, and his nephew Earl Harewood was a POW at Colditz, Hitler wanted to kill a 'Royal' and signed a death warrant for his execution, but in the event he wasn't thankfully.

[julian_craster]

She's absolutely right, it was mentioned only recently that the Duke and Duchess had to flee to the Bahamas when the Nazi's invaded Paris, they would hardly have done so if they were 'sympathisers' would they now, his brother George was killed on War service, and his nephew Earl Harewood was a POW at Colditz, Hitler wanted to kill a 'Royal' and signed a death warrant for his execution, but in the event he wasn't thankfully.

As I have pointed out before (so I will not repeat myself) there are other explanations for this move to the Bahamas (not a bad place to be during WW2...), and one of his German relations actually ran a concentration camp....

[faginsgirl]

the Bahamas (not a bad place to be during WW2...)

Yes. That does seem to speak volumes!

[Freddy]

Lasted less than 5 minutes watching her on Graham Norton, not so much her as the awful whooping, hollering audience that erupted at the end of every sentence she spoke. Let's hope they pick up their brains again on the way out.

[batman]

Lasted less than 5 minutes watching her on Graham Norton ...

Cheers Freddy, I know it's my own fault for having a dirty mind, but I now cannot get the image of Madonna on Graham Norton out of my head .....

[faginsgirl]

Lasted less than 5 minutes watching her on Graham Norton, not so much her as the awful whooping, hollering audience that erupted at the end of every sentence she spoke. Let's hope they pick up their brains again on the way out.

They obviously gave out free tickets at the latest Jeremy Kyle Circus performance then.

[Freddy]

Cheers Freddy, I know it's my own fault for having a dirty mind, but I now cannot get the image of Madonna on Graham Norton out of my head .....

Oh you are awful, but I like you.

[Mark O]

She's absolutely right, it was mentioned only recently that the Duke and Duchess had to flee to the Bahamas when the Nazi's invaded Paris, they would hardly have done so if they were 'sympathisers' would they now, his brother George was killed on War service, and his nephew Earl Harewood was a POW at Colditz, Hitler wanted to kill a 'Royal' and signed a death warrant for his execution, but in the event he wasn't thankfully.

As I have pointed out before (so I will not repeat myself) there are other explanations for this move to the Bahamas (not a bad place to be during WW2...), and one of his German relations actually ran a concentration camp....

Prince Philip's sisters married Nazis but people don't despise him because of it, no one can do anything about whom they're related to, but fair enough if people want to believe the Duke and Duchess were Nazi sympathisers because they met and were entertained by Adolf Hitler then let them believe it.

Though on counter-balance one could say that Tony Blair is/was a 'sympathiser' to Colonel Gadaffi's evil regime because he met and took tea with him also, nuff said!

[Mr Sloane]

It certainly looks like it was more sympathy than tea.


Britain's would-be Nazi Queen - News - The Independent

[faginsgirl]

if people want to believe the Duke and Duchess were Nazi sympathisers because they met and were entertained by Adolf Hitler then let them believe it.

Not everybody`s idea of fun surely?

[Mark O]

It certainly looks like it was more sympathy than tea.


Britain's would-be Nazi Queen - News - The Independent

groan...........alright, I give in, but it's funny how these 'secret' papers always seem to come to light whenever a deceased person happens to be in the frame for whatever reason, in this case more than 70 years later.

[Mark O]

Not everybody`s idea of fun surely?

Probably not, I doubt if Herr Hitler was a bundle of laughs, he farted enough as it was, and I don't just mean anally, though he and the Duke did have one thing in common, they both needed to make a trip to the Royal Albert hall.

[GRAEME]

groan...........alright, I give in,

I love it when you acquiesce!

Next!

Your beloved Queen Mother and her stutterin' husband were almost as big on the Nazis as Wallis and Grommit were... But they put on a face for the war effort, doncha know...

If you don't believe me look it up.

[Steve Crook]

groan...........alright, I give in, but it's funny how these 'secret' papers always seem to come to light whenever a deceased person happens to be in the frame for whatever reason, in this case more than 70 years later.

What's Wallis Simpson been "in the frame" for recently?

It's more that government papers are held to be secret for 70 years. There's always a flurry of stories like this when they are released in the new year

Steve

[ayrshireman]

She's absolutely right, it was mentioned only recently that the Duke and Duchess had to flee to the Bahamas when the Nazi's invaded Paris, they would hardly have done so if they were 'sympathisers' would they now, his brother George was killed on War service, and his nephew Earl Harewood was a POW at Colditz, Hitler wanted to kill a 'Royal' and signed a death warrant for his execution, but in the event he wasn't thankfully.

No she isnt.

The Nazi sympathies of the two are well known, and there are at least three best selling books and two documentaries which have uncovered evidence that at best makes Edward a pro-Nazi dupe with astonishing naivety or at worst someone who actually passed British military cables to German interests. BTW, they were ORDERED to the Bahamas, and had to be virtually forced on the journey. As to Hitler, he wanted to kill Royals who opposed him, he intended Edward as a puppet king, far from killing him.

The gruesome twosome's Nazi fetishism let us not forget continued after the likes of the Nuremberg Laws, the opening of Dachau, the invasion of the Rhineland, the annexation of the Czechs and Austrians and Kristallnacht. All of which were known and reviled around the world. 1933 to 1938-39. So ignorance was no defence.

The first book on their Nazi fetish was written by Peter Allan in 1983, so we have had 30 years of investigation and mounting evidence.

Madge is wrong, wrong, wrong, and her film whitewashing is rightly being ridiculed.

[icetorch]

It would have been more disturbing if Edward and Wallis had continued their admiration of Hitler after the war started, but what evidence is there of that? A lot of Brits admired Hitler in the 30s, as someone who was pro-capitalist, anti-Communist, and who had restored order (of a sort) to a Germany on the brink of civil war, and also provided a lot of military spectacle. Remember that in the 1930s, Britain had a huge empire, which it didn't get by being nice to people. Society was largely racist, though there were plenty of honourable exceptions, so most people would not have been bothered about how the Jews were treated (this was before the extermination camps, remember). So the political perspective at home was far more right-wing than nowadays. Given that perspective, I don't believe Edward and Wallis were that unusual for the times. I don't have a particularly high opinion of them, as they appear to have been shallow and not greatly intelligent, as well as putting pleasure before duty. However, I do not consider them to have been traitors in any way, or likely to have become so. We don't and can't know either way if Edward would have accepted the throne from a conquering Hitler. I personally doubt it, but we can't damn him just because Hitler thought he might have.

Most of you will have heard about the very few highly valuable Edward VIII threepenny bits that exist. While at the National Archives last year, I actually found out last year that there was more to his numismatic legacy than that, so I wrote a small illustrated topic about it on my favourite coin forum:

King Edward VIII: His Place in Numismatics

[Rowdon]

This is from Wikipedia. I know Wikipedia varies in its credibility and accuracy, but I'm no history scholar, so it would be nice to know which bits of this are untrue (apart from the rest of the article). Icetorch reasonably asks what evidence there is that they continued to be pro-Nazi after the war began (let's not all pretend that everybody saw what was coming, and should have known better etc.), but the first few words of this seem to indicate that there is some evidence, so I'd like greater minds than mine to clarify it. My bold, by the way, on the bits I most dislike...

"Following the outbreak of war in 1939, the Duke was given a military post in the British Army stationed in France. According to the son of William Edmund Ironside, 1st Baron Ironside, the Duchess continued to entertain friends associated with the fascist movement, and leaked details of the French and Belgian defences gleaned from the Duke.[85] When the Germans invaded the north of France and bombed Britain in May 1940, the Duchess told an American journalist, "I can't say I feel sorry for them."[86] As the German troops advanced, the Duke and Duchess fled south from their Paris home, first to Biarritz, then in June to Spain. There, she told the United States ambassador, Alexander W. Weddell, that France had lost because it was "internally diseased".[87] In July, the pair moved to Lisbon, Portugal, where they stayed at the home of Ricardo de Espirito Santo e Silva, a banker who was suspected of being a German agent.[88] In August, the Duke and Duchess travelled by commercial liner to the Bahamas, where the Duke was installed as Governor.[89]"

Personally, I enjoyed this article in the Guardian, dealing not with whther or not Simpson was a Nazi sympathiser (or Thatcher a heartless leader) but why women are always portrayed as victims: that even the most pro-active can never be seen as doing bad because they wanted to do bad ...

Why restyle Great Women of History as cockamamie feminist role models? | Film | The Guardian