The Dam Busters remake

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Third Man You don't see copies of 'Ten Little Niggers' on the shelves of book shops anymore you see 'And Then There Were None'. Simon

I thought it became Indians before AttwN? And that title came from the play - which (like the film) has a different ending to the novel? (there are no survivors)

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by DB7 True enough. But if we cast Samuel L Jackson as the radio operator he can say Nigger time and again...

That might work....Quentin Tarrantino would have to direct though, perhaps with Travolta in the role of Gibson or some other hip yank star from the 70s.

[penfold]

Someone would have to play Joseph MacCarthy....Matt Damon would be OK....but he would have to bulk up a bit. Joseph was a 6'3" 225-pound ex-Coney Island Lifeguard. But at least he could pass for 24.



And there were an awful load of Canadians on that raid, as well as Aussies and New Zealanders.

[Third Man]

Originally Posted by DB7 I thought it became Indians before AttwN? And that title came from the play - which (like the film) has a different ending to the novel? (there are no survivors)

"And Then There Were None is a work of detective fiction by Agatha Christie and first published in the UK by the Collins Crime Club in November 1939 under the title of Ten Little Niggers [] and in US by Dodd, Mead and Company in 1940 under the title of And Then There Were None. The UK edition retailed at seven shillings and sixpence (7/6d). The novel has also been published and filmed under the title Ten Little Indians. It is Christie's best-selling novel with 100 million sales to date. "

Simon

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Third Man "And Then There Were None is a work of detective fiction by Agatha Christie and first published in the UK by the Collins Crime Club in November 1939 under the title of Ten Little Niggers [] and in US by Dodd, Mead and Company in 1940 under the title of And Then There Were None. The UK edition retailed at seven shillings and sixpence (7/6d). The novel has also been published and filmed under the title Ten Little Indians. It is Christie's best-selling novel with 100 million sales to date. " Simon

What has the US title got to do with it? Should Amolad be called Stairway to Heaven just because that was the US title....

[Third Man]

Originally Posted by DB7 What has the US title got to do with it? Should Amolad be called Stairway to Heaven just because that was the US title....

Nothing, my point is---- if you walk into a book shop now on the shelf is 'And Then There Were None' not the original Christie title. Time moves on Christies book would never have sold the amount of copies it has world wide if it had kept to it's original title and should people be put off buying such a great novel just because of the name, same thing with the Dam Busters remake.

Simon

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Third Man Christies book would never have sold the amount of copies it has world wide if it had kept to it's original title and should people be put off buying such a great novel just because of the name, same thing with the Dam Busters remake. Simon

Well according to Wikipedia "British editions continued to use the work's original title until the 1980s and the first British edition to use the alternative title And Then There Were None appeared in 1985 "

If you're suggesting the novel has gained increased popularity since '85 I think you're struggling. It is one of the best-selling novels of all-time and to my memory the US was one of the few zones to retitle the book.

Were Christie or Gibson intent on causing offence I may agree but this is simply an ingrained reflection of their upbringing and the climate at the time.

[Third Man]

Originally Posted by DB7 If you're suggesting the novel has gained increased popularity since '85 I think you're struggling. It is one of the best-selling novels of all-time and to my memory the US was one of the few zones to retitle the book.

No, what I am saying is the US might of been one of the few zones to rename it but that's a pretty big zone for a book market (maybe the biggest in the world for an English novel writer) and coupled with the fact it was the US who released the film first I would say the interest in that Christie title 'ATTWN' would have been at a premium.

Simon

[batman]

Did they do a film tie-in copy of the novel in the 40s using ATTWN as the title of the book? Or didn't they do such things in those days?

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by penfold I would expect The Daily Mail and its ilk to try and start a controversy if it were changed, but on a global scale, which is where the producers will want it seen, and where I would want it seen, it would be far, far more contentious to leave it in. Which is, of course, why the original is screened dubbed over now...

I think in the US the name was changed to "Trigger" at the time of the films release. Here is an interesting article from the IMDB titled;

"Is Removing the "N" word censorship?"
Quote/; Britains ITV commercial network has been accused of censorship after deciding to remove all references to a dog named "Nigger" from a classic WW2 film "The Dam Busters". The Group Index on Censorship noted that the film was based on a true incident, that the movie was made in 1954 and that the dog's name is also used in the film as a codeword for a military operation. "taking (the offending word) out is unnecessary and ridiculous" a spokeswoman for Index on Censorship told Britain's Guardian newspaper. "its a '50s film, and it should be kept in context" But Ian Mcbride, managing editor of compliance at Granada, the ITV company that broadcast the film, responded. " what we are sensitive to is viewers being offended by the word" / Quote

So two interesting and opposing views on that ,I think this dog is not going to lie down that easily!

[716Jones]

Maybe they should just call the dog Afro-Carribbean and use that as the code word as well. To hell with the facts!!!!

[Marky B]

Originally Posted by 716Jones Maybe they should just call the dog Afro-Carribbean and use that as the code word as well. To hell with the facts!!!!

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Ta Ta
Marky B

[Harleybloke]

I met some of the Vets at a book signing a year or two back at a WW2 art gallery in Berkshire.

The most self deprecating guys I've ever met. I took my son who was 15 then. Something he can always carry with him. Real heroes. Not CG images. They'd been there and done it.

God bless 'em, God bless 'em all!

[Marky B]

Originally Posted by Harleybloke The most self deprecating guys I've ever met.

Real heroes normally are. I bet that was a day you will treasure always!
Ta ta
Marky B

[Harleybloke]

Originally Posted by Marky B Real heroes normally are. I bet that was a day you will treasure always! Ta ta Marky B

You betcha Marky B.!!