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Old 12-04-2007, 02:44 PM
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Similar to many subjects, I see the "Opening Weekend" measurements as another double-edged sword. I think many films never 'find their legs' because they get pulled so quickly, and probably an equal number don't deserve any additional theatre-time.

Are we Sovietized enough to read between the Pravda lines and understand what's really good? I like to believe the viewing audiences get wiser. I just wish filmmakers and their financiers would do the same.

I believe most every remake says exactly that, Steve - "We have no good ideas". Else they'd never be stuck in a toilet of remakes. While I first laughed and smirked at the stupid notion of "Let them remake only bad films", I now view that notion with complete approval - do a SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER leap and find the worst 'property' and put it out there.

Let's see... that would be... uh...

ISHTAR.

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Similar to many subjects, I see the "Opening Weekend" measurements as another double-edged sword. I think many films never 'find their legs' because they get pulled so quickly, and probably an equal number don't deserve any additional theatre-time.

Are we Sovietized enough to read between the Pravda lines and understand what's really good? I like to believe the viewing audiences get wiser. I just wish filmmakers and their financiers would do the same.

I believe most every remake says exactly that, Steve - "We have no good ideas". Else they'd never be stuck in a toilet of remakes. While I first laughed and smirked at the stupid notion of "Let them remake only bad films", I now view that notion with complete approval - do a SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER leap and find the worst 'property' and put it out there.

Let's see... that would be... uh...

ISHTAR.

"Springtime... for Ishtar... and Oompa-loompa-Land..."
ROFLMAO

Jst think though...you take an immensely popular and cult TV prog, you decide you are going to make it into a modern blockbuster, you enlist the services of Sean Connery, Ralph Fiennes, Uma Thurman and a solid supporting cast...then task the direction to a nob and the writing to another nob ...and what have you got...the pile of doodoo that is The Avengers.

Point being, just imagine what you will end up with if everyone conerned is a nob

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It begs the question; Has there ever been a remake better than the original? Any offers?
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not British I know but I offer you 'The Maltese Falcon'

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Everett to star in drag as St Trinian's schoolma'am
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Rupert Everett will star in drag in a 21st century take on the popular St Trinian’s films of the 1950s and 1960s. The actor will play the dual role of the school’s inept headmistress, Millicent Fritton, and her crooked brother, Carnaby.

Other cast members include Mischa Barton, star of The OC, Colin Firth, best-known as Darcy in the BBC’s Pride and Prejudice, and Stephen Fry, who will present a "School's Challenge" quiz show.

According to Firth's website: "The girls of St Trinian’s school pull off a great scam (involving the theft of a priceless painting) in order to pay off enormous debts and save their beloved school from closure."

Scenes for the Ealing Studios project – which is being marketed at Cannes – have already been filmed in and around London, with Everett spotted sporting a neon pink hooded tracksuit, silk headscarf and aviator-size dark glasses.

The original films, shot in the heyday of Ealing Comedies and based on cartoons by Ronald Searle, feature the over-the-top “japes” of saucy schoolgirls at an exclusive girl’s boarding school.

While the younger girls run riot, their sixth form schoolmates exploit their precocious sexuality. Smoking, drinking, gambling and violence are prevalent. The teachers are just as disreputable.

Miss Fritton – a severe-looking older woman – takes an unorthodox approach, saying: “In other schools girls are sent out quite unprepared into a merciless world, but when our girls leave here, it is the merciless world which has to be prepared.”

The double role of Miss Fritton and her bookmaker brother was first played by Alastair Sim in 1954.

Everett, 47, appeared in drag as the dying socialite Flora Goforth in an acclaimed stage production of Tennessee Williams's black comedy The Milk Train Doesn't Stop Here Anymore in 1994.

Last year, the star of My Best Friend's Wedding and The Importance of Being Earnest said he believed that coming out as gay had ruined his chances of securing major Hollywood roles.

The new St Trinian's film is expected to be released in 2008.
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The St Trinian's films are still funny,but they are of a certain era - sadly,though,not this one.
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I think you are right on this one, the S Trinian's was very funny at the time and still are funny today as we are aware of what era they were made in. A remake of this kind of film in a different era will (in my humble oppinion) not be as funny.

A but like the Carry On... Films the old ones are great to watch but the modern remake that was done a few years ago was a flop because times have changed.

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St Trinian's returns to the big screen
The anarchic pupils are back, 50 years after their first appearance. Geoffrey Macnab looks at the films and their real-life inspiration
Published: 06 June 2007

Contrary to received opinion, the St Trinian's girls were not as naughty as all that. Only rarely did they stab a mistress or string her up to the branch of a tree. Their behaviour on the lacrosse field was nowhere near as violent as detractors have claimed.

We are shortly to become reacquainted with St Trinian's. Work has begun on a new film dealing with the little harpies from the most notorious girls' school in British film history. The cast includes Rupert Everett, Colin Firth and Russell Brand. Expect to see the more nubile members of the lower sixth in gym slips and black stockings disporting themselves on the beaches and in the bars of the Riviera.

Ronald Searle based his St Trinian's cartoons (which inspired the films) on a real school called St Trinnean's in Edinburgh. Miss Fraser Lee, the headmistress of this school (which was in existence from 1922 till 1946), was so exasperated at being mocked by Searle and by Frank Launder and Sidney Gilliat (the British filmmakers behind the original St Trinian's films) that she published a book setting forth her side of the story.

The Real St Trinnean's, which appeared in 1962, is a very curious volume. It has a photo of Miss Lee before the introduction. A stern-faced, grey-haired woman in a black gown, she looks not unlike Miss Fritton, the headmistress played by Alastair Sim in the first film, The Belles of St Trinian's (1954). Ironically, Miss Lee's rhetoric is not unlike that of Miss Fritton either.

"When poor Freda and I started this school during the General Strike of 1926, we vowed to make it the happiest carefree establishment in the whole of Britain," trills the fictional Miss Fritton in The Belles of St Trinian's. "And what a gay Arcadia of childhood it was until the war broke out and people with money lost it."

Compare this with Miss Lee's nostalgic remarks: "When St Trinnean's began [it was] a new venture made in faith and hope and growing each year more full of 'light and joy' until 1946, when after the Second World War, still in our wartime home, I had to close the school and disappoint so many." You could be forgiven for thinking that Fritton and Lee were sisters. They shared a similar attitude towards education. St Trinnean's was known as "the school where they do what they like." Miss Lee said her school was "certainly very revolutionary, and we met with criticism, of course."

Miss Fritton's methods proved equally contentious. As she famously put it: "In other schools, girls are sent out quite unprepared into a merciless world, but when our girls leave here, it is the merciless world which has to be prepared."

Miss Lee had one particular bugbear about the films: she couldn't stand the unkempt way in which the girls dressed or the inference that her own beloved pupils had been equally dishevelled. Sounding a little like Muriel Spark's Miss Jean Brodie, Lee wrote purple paragraphs about the school uniforms that she provided. "Our uniform was taken from nature. The blue sea and golden sand and brown seaweed of lovely Iona, where I had spent many happy summers, gave me the colours - the coat a Harris crotal tweed and the Saxe-blue tunic and tussore silk blouse."

As film historian Geoff Brown notes in his book on the work of Launder and Gilliat, the first St Trinian's film had some moderately serious, if satirical, points to make about British society after the war. The film begins with the school teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. "The idea is mooted that St Trinian's school has reached its sorry plight through England's decline and the decline of its stable social order which existed before the war."

The St Trinian's films, beginning with The Belles and continuing with Blue Murder at St Trinian's (1957), The Pure Hell of St Trinian's (1960), The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery (1966) and The Wildcats of St Trinian's (1980), were all big money-spinners. They are - at least occasionally - very funny. They showcase some fine comic actors, such as Terry-Thomas, Frankie Howerd, George Cole and Joyce Grenfell. Reviewers were generally enthusiastic, seeing the films as the natural successors to the anarchic and goofy British comedies made by the likes of Will Hay in the 1930s.

Great public affection grew for the "little horrors", as the girls were nicknamed. Over the series, there were many moments to savour. In Blue Murder, for example, we have the girls running amok through the Forum and the Colosseum in Rome. (Launder later admitted he had misled the Italian authorities, telling them "the film was a cultural documentary" to be allowed to shoot in such sacred places.)

In Pure Hell, we see all the pupils in the docks, wearing scruffy uniforms and oversized straw hats. "It's a sad and sickening sight to see an entire girls' school arraigned before the highest criminal court in the land," intones a grim-faced prosecution lawyer. Their crime is to have set fire to their school and then to have played their violins in hideously discordant fashion as they watch it burn to the ground. And, no, they are not in the slightest repentant.

The Great Train Robbery, inspired by Ronnie Biggs and co, boasts some memorable set pieces with hapless schoolgirls scooting up and down railway lines as if on leave from a Buster Keaton comedy.

It is hard not to regard the St Trinian's films, though, with at least a tinge of regret. None came close to the sustained hilarity of The Happiest Days of Your Life (1950), Launder and Gilliat's inspired farce about the chaos and misunderstandings that ensue when a girls' school, led by Margaret Rutherford, is billeted to a boys' public school. Nor do the films show much of the formal ambition of Launder and Gilliat's films of the 1940s, such as the brilliant propaganda film Millions Like Us (1943) or the quicksilver thriller I See a Dark Stranger (1946). With St Trinian's, it was as if Launder and Gilliat were accepting the formulaic and the mediocre. This was not work that stretched them in any way.

There is a certain irony in Ealing Studios' decision to revive and update the franchise now. After all, the original St Trinian's films did not mark a golden moment in British film history. It is hard, too, to see how the filmmakers will capture the sheer inspired dottiness of performers such as Alastair Sim, Joyce Grenfell and Terry-Thomas. The St Trinian's girls came from an age of relative teenage innocence. Yes, in Pure Hell, the headmaster (Cecil Parker) came up with a plan to sell the best-looking sixth-formers to an Arabian harem. None the less, for all their mischief making, the kids were far less worldly than the teen idols of today.

Directors Oliver Parker and Barnaby Thompson have assembled an intriguing cast, complete with supermodels (Lily Cole), Bond girls (Caterina Murino) film stars (Rupert Everett) and such cherished household names as Stephen Fry. Ealing has already released some stills of its film. In one, we see around a dozen girls underneath Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square, marching towards camera and looking as menacing as Warren Oates and Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch.

It is a fair bet that Miss Lee, the headmistress of the original St Trinnean's, would be horrified by their swagger and insolence. After all, as an old girl once wrote of the education she provided, "not only intellectually was the pupil guided towards a satisfying maturity, but equal care was given to the building of character and to the development of a sense of social responsibility."
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I cannot help but think a new 'St Trinians' movie will be a ghastly and charmless pile of junk. I'd love it to be otherwise... but Russell Brand's inclusion in the cast does not bode well for its class, as much as Stephen Fry's inclusion does.
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I cannot help but think a new 'St Trinians' movie will be a ghastly and charmless pile of junk. I'd love it to be otherwise... but Russell Brand's inclusion in the cast does not bode well for its class, as much as Stephen Fry's inclusion does.
Even the very mention of the odious Brand makes me want to throw up .

Who's playing Alistair Sim? Everett or Fry?

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Oooo I notice from the IMDb talk backs... my mate, Bats agrees with me about Russell Brand.

Great reply to Captain Cherry Tango, Bats

I've seen that Stephen Fry is just in a presumably small role as 'Quizzmaster', and that they feel the need to have a drag headmistress. OK... A guy in drag is perhaps the best for such a role.

Where are Hugh Laurie and David Jason when you need them?
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Who's playing Alistair Sim? Everett or Fry?
Rupert Everett... How I wish it was Fry.

And alas no Maureen Lipman.

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Oh Heck... I've just seen a picture of the new Miss Fritton...



They could have at least given it a curly wig... not only does it look unfunny... but it looks LIKE a guy in drag.

I've seen funnier looking politicians.
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I cannot help but think a new 'St Trinians' movie will be a ghastly and charmless pile of junk. I'd love it to be otherwise....
I don't think it will be ghastly - just an opportunity missed. With a couuple more decent actors in the cast and the contribution of a decent comedy writer and they'd probably pull it off. As it is, and looking at the background of many involved, I'm expecting a tv movie with plenty of celeb cameos.
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