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Old 06-06-2008, 07:54 PM
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Hi I have drove many R6's in my time and as I recall the only time that they actually whistled was when the butterfly spindle was worn or the vacum pipe that runs from the inlet manifold where the butterfly is, down to the back of the diesel pump, was slack as they used to slack them off so that it drawed the diaphram back in the pump for more speed, and that would make it whistle faintly.
Oh yes. We all knew that......................... ......

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They stopped 5 of our lorries in the middle of the night at Reading and said that they had been watching them through the night and told all the drivers to lift their foot up, and as they let them go they said that they would catch their mate and give him a good telling off and one of the drivers said im not being funny officer but I hope your police car can go!!
And some critics of the film say they used speeded-up film......

! HAH ! I knew Red was a driver from Hell all along !!.................



Great stuff Trapper. Thanks so much for that............

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Old 06-06-2008, 07:59 PM
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R6?!!

Oh Man! What a machine!

One of the best bikes Yamaha has ever built.............................

.....You couldn't hear it, if they were shooting at me with howitzers!
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Mail me please with reminiscences...I love 'em! I do hope you like the mag's piece.
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Hi, Trapper D.
I enjoyed your last posting, great stuff! But why wait for someone else to write that book? Start today, write it all down yourself, leave all your memories for others to read in years to come!
I can tell from your writings that there is a really enthusiastic story teller there, and I can assure you there are thousands of us out here who would love to read your tails.

One of my tales goes back to about 1954, when they were turning Biggin Hill Aerodrome into a private Airport, they had to extent the runways by severel hundred yards, which ment filling in part of the valley that runs to the westen side of the site, The boards went up outside the main gate for hardcore etc Free tipping, My Father and one of my Brother began to use it to shoot their muck away loads, and it was very handy for Sevenoaks Pits, Moorhouse, Bletchingly, Fullers Earth, and Redhill Brick works, all on the old A25. Well as a 9 years old lad I was over the moon when I was ask if I wanted to drive the truck! it became a habit for my Brother to allow me to drive his tipper across the air-strip once we were inside the main gate, he would just stand on the running board and watch me, you can understand my joy at this, after all what could I hit? I was so sorry when the tip closed. All the best Sid.
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"Hell Drivers" is one of my favourite British films, ever. Here's the results of many hours trawlling through the interblob, etc, in search of information. Can't verify any of it, so open to corrections, comments, etc. Hope this proves of interest:

LOCATIONS:

Much of the driving was done near Pinewood, around the villages of Iver, Iver Heath and Shredding Green. Look closely at the opening credits for views along the B470 through Iver. Roads used included Wood Lane, Hollybush Lane and Billet Lane, as well as Alderbourne Arches and Hawkswood Lane, near Fulmer. These 'back roads' would have been a lot quieter in those days, though much use was made of over-cranking to make the stunts look more dangerous (the film's major flaw - IMHO).

For the riskier quarry-driving scenes, the crew moved to Truleigh Hill and Beeding Hill, near Shoreham, Sussex. Look out, too, in the opening credits for views along the A27 in W.Sussex (note the sign pointing left to the hamlet of Warningcamp). Other locations are said to include the Colnbrook By-Pass to the west of Heathrow Airport, and a gravel pit near Gerrard's Cross (though some say one near Denham was used).

A major location was the transport yard belonging to the haulage company ('Hawletts'). In the film, this always struck me as somehow being in the middle of nowhere. The reason was because the 'yard' was built on the WWII airfield at Ford, W.Sussex, cobbled together from old MT sheds and various 'temporary' huts.

At the time of filming the airfield was still in use by the Fleet Air Arm, but much of the site today has been taken over by industrial units, though it might still be possible to locate the exact site of the 'yard'. In at least one scene, a large hanger/factory can be seen in the background which may act as a reference point for location hunters. A local chap (who rides his bike round the site every week for excercise) assures me that most of the large hangers/factory buildings are still there.

I've read a claim that the 'Pull In' cafe was a real location, though personally I doubt this. It's much more likely to have been a studio set, along with 'Ma' West's boarding house and other interiors. Still, if anyone knows for sure .... ???

THE VEHICLES:

The trucks used were Kew-built Dodge 123 tippers, powered by Perkins diesels and hauling a legal maximum of 6-cubic yards (remember those?). Although as many as ten wagons can be seen in one shot of the yard (there were ten named drivers), only seven are ever seen 'on the road'. These bore the registrations: 844 DMX; 845 DMX; 320 EMY; 321 EMY; 322 EMY; 323 EMY; and UMG 853.

The trucks were allegedly supplied by a firm called Janes Transport of Slough, though a check with Slough reference library could find no trace of a company of that name in contemporary trade directories. Neither could any mention of the film, nor Janes' involvement in it, be found in the local press of the time. This doesn't mean that the company didn't exist, and/or wasn't involved in the filming - it's just that I can't find any references to it.

Fleet numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19 and 22 are seen on the trucks, but these were swapped around in some scenes for ease of filming. The most noticeable example of this mix'n'match is in a scene at the quarry, where Red (Pat McGoohan) reverses his truck into Tom's (Stanley Baker's). Tom then moves his truck and reverses into Red's - but though different Fleet numbers are used, appropriate to each character's vehicle, the truck registration number is the same in both scenes. As a general rule, Truck #1 (845 DMX) was driven by McGoohan's character - identifiable by its broken offside headlight - while Truck #13 (321 EMY) was used by Baker's.

'Hawletts' also ran a battered looking pick-up truck - possibly an Austin - as their 'Service Unit' (ABH 700). Peggy Cummins, as 'Lucy', the company secretary, appears in several scenes driving a Willys Jeep (MLA 675), while William Hartnell as 'Cartley', the manager, is seen arriving at the yard in a Ford Poplar saloon (UPJ 308). The rear of a tow-truck can be seen in one shot of the yard, though I've no idea what make/model. Finally, very near the end of the film, what can only be described as some kind of vintage truck is seen parked outside the yard's main gate - what it is (was) is anyone's guess.

Since the theme of "Hell Drivers" is a rogue trucking firm, it has attracted interest from several vintage truck magazines and internet sites. Aside from purely technical aspects, there has been much debate as to which colour the trucks would have been painted. The consensus seems to be either scarlet or bottle-green bodywork, with black wings, and possibly gold sign-writing. Sadly, unless someone from the original cast or production crew can remember the details, or a colour photo of the trucks turns up, then this vital piece of filmic lore will have been lost to posterity.

PRODUCTION TRIVIA:

"Hell Drivers" was made in the winter/spring of 1957 at Pinewood Studios. Filming was threatened a number of times - not because of the driving, but due to fuel shortages (it was the time of the Suez oil crisis). Thankfully, enough was found to complete the movie, which was released in July of '57. It was reissued in 1961, with 24-mins cut from the original running time of 108-mins.

That's all I've been able to find, so far. As a bit of an 'anorak' when it comes to this film, I'd dearly love to hear any further details ... especially the colour of those trucks, ha!
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The trucks were we now know dark bottle green Kew Dodge 103P chassis with Perkins P6 engines, and the utility ABH 700 was a 1955 Standard Vanguard Phase 1 Pick-up.

Ford airfield site is of course still there, partly under the open prison, partly under industrial units, and partly agriculture, though the Government are suggesting a new Eco-town could be/will be built there. Ford airfield was in fact acquired by (Henry) Ford in 1929 to run a Ford Tri-motor aerial service! Later it became a RAF, UAAAF and Fleet Air Arm base.
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I have recently got hold of 12 black and white shots of 843 844 and 845 DMX when they were a couple of weeks old, and painted in the WW Drinkwaters livery which was dark green and black wings with white signwriting. The shots were taken in the early fifties at the Drinkwater quarry at Denham in Bucks and show them being loaded and tipped.Unfortunatly no permission has been given for them to be reprinted,so I cant show them here but they are great shots. Drinkwaters, who operated about 50 of these Dodges supplied all the Dodges in the film except for one which was operated by Saunders. In the film where one of them gets stuck in a ditch and rocks the wagon back and forth to get out, the name of Drinkwaters company secretary can be seen signwritten on the bottom of the passenger door. It was filmed during the Suez crisis so to save fuel rather than bring all the wagons back to the company HQ in Willesden every night , one tipper was fitted with a tarp and the drivers hitched a lift in the back of it, the rest of the Dodges being parked at Pinewood.
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The normal-control Kew Dodges as depictred were history by 1956, i.e. Suez, as Briggs Motor Bodies Ltd in Dagenham closed their cab contracts for Ford's Thames ET6, Guy, Dodge, Leyland, and instead BMC, Ford (Thames), Dodge, Commer and possibly Leylands, went to Willenhall for a NC cab. However it was obvious that FC was the way to go, and Drinkwaters acquired new LAD (Leyland-Albion-Dodge) cabbed Forward Control Dodges with up to 9 cu yd bodies.
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I would just like to say well done Finbarot!!! Lets keep this site trapping !!! Good luck to all. Trapper diesel
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Couple of points, am i right in thinking that Briggs was taken over by Ford. Also Pre Thames Trader a Commer FC cab was fitted to a Ford 4 wheel drive GS truck/WD/Army abulance.
I had a Matchbox model as a lad also remember bonneted tippers around mainly Bedfords and ET6 and the odd Comet but these vehicles were run by small operators or local councils.
In the yard adjacent to where I kept my pony the owner had a couple of Bedford 5 ton petrol tippers one with a screw mechanism to tip the body. They seemed fairly fast.
I certainly remember the LAD cabs and similar Austin/Morris . A few years later the M23 was started and it was like the second coming of the Hell Drivers! mainly 6 & 8 wheelers then though.Also the Graders and Motor Scrapers were driven on the roads between sites.It certainly livened the area up but thats another story.
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