Jigsaw (1962)

[batman]

Originally Posted by Norma Wisdom It has to be said that John Fraser was also pretty honest about his own 'shortcomings'; but lets face it - the publishers would hardly be bothered with commissioning a book about actors drinking cups of tea and being 'jolly nice' to one another!

Sounds like a good read !!!!

Bats.

[steve_500uk]

I am looking for a copy of Jigsaw on DVD if anyone has a copy, I did have it on video but have lost the damn thing somewhere. Can anyone help?

[aphra]

I have a good recording of this Val Guest film and have sent you a PM. Best, Aphra

[helvis]

Just a little info this will be showing at the Duke of Yorks picturehouse in Brighton along with some other classic Val Guest films as part of the Cine-city event, check out all the info here
Event : Cine-City

[Lawrie Adam]

Hi, Looking for copy of film Jigsaw with Jack Warner. Please can anyone help? Lawrie

[aphra]

Originally Posted by Lawrie Adam Hi, Looking for copy of film Jigsaw with Jack Warner. Please can anyone help? Lawrie

I have a good recording of this film and have sent you a PM. Best, Aphra

[laura1]

Hi
Does anybody have a good copy of this movie
plenty to trade.

Laura1

[Shaun]

Hi Laura,

Send me a pm if you still need this film, I can let you have a copy by the end of next week.

Best wishes

Shaun

[john audley]

I do not wish to criticize Val Guest - he is a favorite of mine But:
I have a copy of 80 thousand suspects and found that the starting 20 minutes or so with the dancing and the swimming pool and the intro stuff is a bore so I cut (via re-tape) from the credits to the point when Johnson walks up the steps of the hospital to find that there is a huge health problem and by doing this the film is much sharper, makes quicker sense, the script unfolds just as convincingly and the point is maintained. Do you think he would approve?

[batman]

Originally Posted by john audley I do not wish to criticize Val Guest - he is a favorite of mine But: I have a copy of 80 thousand suspects and found that the starting 20 minutes or so with the dancing and the swimming pool and the intro stuff is a bore so I cut (via re-tape) from the credits to the point when Johnson walks up the steps of the hospital to find that there is a huge health problem and by doing this the film is much sharper, makes quicker sense, the script unfolds just as convincingly and the point is maintained. Do you think he would approve?

Probably not .... I certainly don't.

The introduction to the film is just as important (often more so in some cases) as any other scene in the film. I cannot see how lopping off the first twenty minutes makes the film 'sharper' if what you have done has made no significant impact on the rest of the film. Also, why the necessity for it to make 'quicker sense', for me part of watching a film is to see events unfold and see how the characters react to them. To simply drop Johnson into the situation is to take him out of his personal context, thus robbing the viewer of seeing possible character motivations that might have been subtley placed in the introduction by Val Guest.

It's a bit like taking the scenes of Insp Martineau's home life and the backstory with Don Starling out of Hell Is A City, or removing the introductory scenes in the house from Jigsaw. It wouldn't disrupt the plot too significantly but would lessen the viewer's knowledge of the characters and their context therefore reducing their enjoyment of the film

Bats.

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by batman It's a bit like taking the scenes of Insp Martineau's home life and the backstory with Don Starling out of Hell Is A City, or removing the introductory scenes in the house from Jigsaw. It wouldn't disrupt the plot too significantly but would lessen the viewer's knowledge of the characters and their context therefore reducing their enjoyment of the film Bats.

It'd be like taking out the introduction to The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp and starting it in the middle of the flashback. You may as well then chop out other large sections of it and do away with the complex flashback structure altogether. What sort of barbarians would do that?

Oh yes, the Americans in 1945. That's who

Steve

[DB7]

Originally Posted by john audley I do not wish to criticize Val Guest - he is a favorite of mine But:

Kind of sad that he ended up helming Au Pair Girls and Confessions of a Window Cleaner.

[helvis]

Originally Posted by DB7 Kind of sad that he ended up helming Au Pair Girls and Confessions of a Window Cleaner.

You think that's sad... how about 'The Boys in Blue'

[john audley]

Originally Posted by batman Probably not .... I certainly don't. The introduction to the film is just as important (often more so in some cases) as any other scene in the film. I cannot see how lopping off the first twenty minutes makes the film 'sharper' if what you have done has made no significant impact on the rest of the film. Also, why the necessity for it to make 'quicker sense', for me part of watching a film is to see events unfold and see how the characters react to them. To simply drop Johnson into the situation is to take him out of his personal context, thus robbing the viewer of seeing possible character motivations that might have been subtley placed in the introduction by Val Guest. It's a bit like taking the scenes of Insp Martineau's home life and the backstory with Don Starling out of Hell Is A City, or removing the introductory scenes in the house from Jigsaw. It wouldn't disrupt the plot too significantly but would lessen the viewer's knowledge of the characters and their context therefore reducing their enjoyment of the film Bats.

Absolutely agree Bats! I only did it for personal satisfaction (you could try in with a second video yourself) I can't think of any other film that I would do this to although a few minutes or moments cut from some would be advantageous and - in the case of Quatermass 2 - I think he himself has cut to much from the original script. I would have put ten minutes more myself.
Back to the film. I do feel that Johnson is fully explained as the film plot unfolds and, personally, I feel that the rather frivolous
start fails to link with the main plot of real disaster pending.

[charliekane]

Can anyone help with a copy of this movie ? I remember seeing it twice on tv about 20 years ago, and it was so intense that the second time I couldn't even remember who the murderer was ! In that scene with close-ups of everyone in the room I suspected every one of them - even the copper Ronald Lewis !!

-James