Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain

[Tom May]

I missed tonight's second episode, somehow... despite loving the first; an excellent series and I am frustrated at my own lack of forethought.



As it doesn't seem to be scheduled for a repeat, I feel I must try such avenues as asking here. I would happily do a trade for this, or other such arrangement... If anyone has it and is interested, please send me a PM. :)

[Norma Wisdom]

Tom,

Panic ye not! - I have sent you a pm.

[Broc]

Can anyone help with this episode of Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain shown on 12 June? I had finger trouble on my recorder and missed it.



This programme is too good not to be repeated, but I need to see them in chronological order.



Cheers



Broc

[clitheroekid]

[DB7]

I thought Marr was fairly kind to her given he's often accused of being a closet (New) Labour supporter. He was far more scathing of Eden and Macmillan.

[clitheroekid]

And he finishes the show saying how we should all be so grateful for her tenure

[Steve Crook]

Well he finished by saying we are all Maggie's Children. Like it or not (like her or not), it is true to a certain extent.



I thought he was very kind to her, although he did point out some of the down-side of Thatcherism - like the destruction of industry and beggers on the streets.



Steve

[Rob Compton]

name='Steve Crook']Well he finished by saying we are all Maggie's Children. Like it or not (like her or not), it is true to a certain extent.



I thought he was very kind to her, although he did point out some of the down-side of Thatcherism - like the destruction of industry and beggers on the streets.



Steve

...and thereby safely ignoring the fact that both have happened before and after Mrs Thatcher's premiership



rgds

Rob

[Simon]

This was the first of the programmes I'd managed to see. Given how good it was I'm frustrated not to have recorded it, and to find that the BBC will not release it on DVD!



Would love to have a recording (preferably DVD) of programme 4 (Revolution); would be interested in the earlier episodes too. Great to hear from you if you can help.



Thanks.

[Steve Crook]

name='Rob Compton']...and thereby safely ignoring the fact that both have happened before and after Mrs Thatcher's premiership



rgds

Rob

But nobody did it quite like Thatcher.

She destroyed more industries - OK, quite a lot needed destroying.

But the homelessness and beggars on the streets hadn't been seen in numbers like that since Dickensian times. Those that are there since her fall from grace are mainly just the lingering effects from her benign rule



Steve

[DB7]

name='Steve Crook']But nobody did it quite like Thatcher.

She destroyed more industries - OK, quite a lot needed destroying.

For me it was the actual satisfaction she seemed to gain from putting 10s of 1'000s of working class families on the dole. She cleary wanted to smash the NUM and Militant but beneath the hardliners were a lot of ordinairy people trying to earn a living. Coal's time was up but there's a way of treating people with respect.



It struck me as slightly one-side that Marr focused so much on the Brighton bombing but glossed over the H Block hunger strikes a few years earlier.

[batman]

name='DB7']For me it was the actual satisfaction she seemed to gain from putting 10s of 1'000s of working class families on the dole. She cleary wanted to smash the NUM and Militant but beneath the hardliners were a lot of ordinairy people trying to earn a living. Coal's time was up but there's a way of treating people with respect.



It struck me as slightly one-side that Marr focused so much on the Brighton bombing but glossed over the H Block hunger strikes a few years earlier.

Her greatest legacy, IMHO, is that she kept ranting about 'Victorian values' et al but, almost singlehandedly, destroyed all sense of real community spirit in this country. The tireless promotion of the 'I'm all right, Jack'/'Look after number one' mentality has led us into a society in which many of it's inhabitants lack the basic ideals of community. These being respect for others and their property, lack of care for the environment in which we all have to live and an increase in the aggressive push towards a world in which the philosophy of many seems to be I'm gonna do what i wanna do and you ain't gonna stop me.



Bats.

[orpheum]

She was our local MP(groan)My late father stood against her as the Liberal Party candidate in 1964 when Finchley Borough Council was Liberal controlled.He came a respectable second.How history might have been changed had he won!

[Edward G]

name='DB7']For me it was the actual satisfaction she seemed to gain from putting 10s of 1'000s of working class families on the dole. She cleary wanted to smash the NUM and Militant but beneath the hardliners were a lot of ordinairy people trying to earn a living. Coal's time was up but there's a way of treating people with respect.



It struck me as slightly one-side that Marr focused so much on the Brighton bombing but glossed over the H Block hunger strikes a few years earlier.

DB 7 has this bang on.

I remember before the ill-judged miner's strike that Thatcher insisted that it wasn't about beating the Unions but about "protecting the freedom of those that wanted to work" and the rule of law etc. with relation to flying pickets or intimidation of the miners that went to work. Then when the strike eventually collapsed she triumphantly declared "We won!" Also key to understanding the ultimate brutality of Thatcherism was Lord Tebbit's casual disregard of the unemployed when he explained that "When my father was out of work he got on his bike until he found it". A gross insult to those laid off en masse by the economic downturn in the 80's and symptomatic of the complete lack of any sense of responsibilty of the prevailing government. The irony now is that Blair's new labour revolution appears to have given way to the same apathy and a sense of lost opportunity.

[Norma Wisdom]

Hi Broc pm me -I have been recording the whole series so have them all to date

[Moor Larkin]

There was some touching news-reel yesterday of a group of veteran Para's corralling Maggie (who was dressed in devastating pink!) during the 'Falklands 25' commemorations. Rather than berating the old baggage for causing the death of all their old mates, they were seeking to shake her gently by the hand, awe plain to see in their eyes at coming across her........ calling out her name.



The British do love a winner don't they.....

[Steve Crook]

name='Moor Larkin']There was some touching news-reel yesterday of a group of veteran Para's corralling Maggie (who was dressed in devastating pink!) during the 'Falklands 25' commemorations. Rather than berating the old baggage for causing the death of all their old mates, they were seeking to shake her gently by the hand, awe plain to see in their eyes at coming across her........ calling out her name.



The British do love a winner don't they.....

Well she did take the role of their Commander in Chief (usurping Mrs Queen) in their march past when they came home.



Steve

[silverwhistle]

name='Steve Crook']But nobody did it quite like Thatcher.

She destroyed more industries - OK, quite a lot needed destroying.

But the homelessness and beggars on the streets hadn't been seen in numbers like that since Dickensian times. Those that are there since her fall from grace are mainly just the lingering effects from her benign rule

Yup. The damage to Higher Education completely scuppered my hopes of a career. Evil bitch, I almost wish I believed in the existence of Hell so I'd something to look forward to when she joins her pal Pinochet…