cockney gangster

[Hehm]

Hi everybody!
I'll be writing my dissertation on the dubbing of the cockney gangster and the consequent change in his social perception. (English-German)
Therefore I'm looking for movies potraying them. I found several, but my problem is that the cockney gangster shouldn't be a main character and there should only be one or two. So, I'm trying to find movies, where one of the gangster characters talks in a cockney accent, but only apears in some scenes. I already found Ocean's eleven/twelve/thriteen and In Bruges.
So my question is: do you know any additional (gangster) films, where a minor character has a cockney accent?
Thanks a lot

[batman]

You might start by watching a few British gangster films instead of US ones. A good one would be The Long Good Friday with Bob Hoskins, then there's The Bank Job with Jason Statham or any of Guy Ritchie's gangster films. There are also many British B-movie gangster films of the 40s/50s/60s which would suit your purpose.

[Hehm]

I actually saw a couple already. The only problem is that they usually have the cockney gangster as a main character. I haven't heard of the Bank Job yet. Thanks for letting me know (:

[will.15]

I have been watching The Untouchables, the one with Robert Stack. They have British actors pop up from time to time as Chicago gangsters. I saw Torrin Thatcher yesterday, but he doesn't sound Cockney. Oh, I think there was one first season. The one with Dan O' Herily. His loyal henchman I think was Cockney.

[Heinrich]

What is the premise of your thesis, I wonder.
In England, the class system is rooted in the psyche.
Gangsters in London will always be cockneys. Occasionally, in keeping with the deference of working class people to upper class leadership, a toff might be their boss and do the thinking for the riffraff.

[Timmy_Lea]

What is the premise of your thesis, I wonder.
In England, the class system is rooted in the psyche.
Gangsters in London will always be cockneys. Occasionally, in keeping with the deference of working class people to upper class leadership, a toff might be their boss and do the thinking for the riffraff.

We don't have deference to upper class leadership!!!

[narabdela]

In England, the class system is rooted in the psyche.

We're not trotting out outdated national stereotypes are we? This is the 21st Century.

[Heinrich]

We're not trotting out outdated national stereotypes are we? This is the 21st Century.

"Outdated" you say, narabdela?
Would that it were, ol' chap.

[will.15]

I have been watching The Untouchables, the one with Robert Stack. They have British actors pop up from time to time as Chicago gangsters. I saw Torrin Thatcher yesterday, but he doesn't sound Cockney. Oh, I think there was one first season. The one with Dan O' Herily. His loyal henchman I think was Cockney.

I checked that out. The henchman wasn't Cockney. He was Irish, mean little guy with a knife. Th actor didn't have a lot of movie credits, but went back to the thirties in UK always playing Irish characters.

[captainhaddock]

basically you want cockney gangsters that were in supporting or minor roles ?

how about john bindon in the film the mackintosh man that starred paul newman ?
or john bindon in quadrophenia ?
or john bindon in poor cow ?

or just look at john bindons imdb page

[Richard_in_wales]

How about Johnny Shannon, great in 'Performance'.

The OP should watch it anyway, lots of cockney baddies in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFxfn...eature=related

[dylan]

Take a look at some of Sid James' early roles like Banksy in Joe MacBeth.

D.

[Timmy_Lea]

"Outdated" you say, narabdela?
Would that it were, ol' chap.

It is outdated. Where are you getting your info from about all this deference nonsense & that london gangsters are all cockneys?

[Steve Crook]

What is the premise of your thesis, I wonder.
In England, the class system is rooted in the psyche.
Gangsters in London will always be cockneys. Occasionally, in keeping with the deference of working class people to upper class leadership, a toff might be their boss and do the thinking for the riffraff.

Londoners are only all cockneys to people who don't understand what a Cockney is

Ideas that the class system in England is rooted in the psyche are only held by people who don't know anything about England and the English

Steve