bands who've split then kept going

[Tonch]

Which is the "proper" Fleetwood Mac, the original, bluesy Peter Green outfit or the polished multi-selling Mac of "Rumours" "Tango In The Night" etc? A lot of parallels with Floyd in that sense...original hub has breakdown only for band to soar to megasuccess without them.



"Slade" still tour (in the form of Dave Hill, Don Powell + makeweights) but without the multi talented Jim Lea and the ultimate frontman Noddy Holder it just doesn't seem right...would you go and see The Rolling Stones without Mick & Keith?

[billy bentley]

Slade without Noddy Holder ? You've got to be kidding - No Noddy No Slade - case closed.

[Wicked Lady]

name='GoggleboxUK']Graham Bonnet never quite had the same impact as Dio or Gillan when he was the singer of Rainbow. I remember seeing them at a famous festival and Bonnet's unfortunate speech impediment for the venue:



" Hello Weading! Are you weady to Wock?"



I suwwender was a classic!

Well, Bonnet was up against some pretty stiff competition in the 'who was the best singer paired with Blackmore' contest. I think he's a fab singer though and his first solo album is one of my all time faves. Never knew about the speech impediment!





As for the some bands turning into cover bands while others flourish: it really comes down to the kind of talent within the band. A lot of bands have members who suffer from John Entwistle Syndrome - very talented as songwriters and musicians in their own right, but they get overlooked or never got to develop because of more dominant personalities or talents (Rick Wright, John Deacon and George Harrison all suffered from this to varying degrees). Sometimes in bands, the 'star' leaves and the other talents get to step up and show what they got (Fleetwood Mac, Floyd, etc). Sometimes the remaining members are better off breaking up and moving on because it becomes painful to watch (Queen, INXS) and sometimes it doesn't seem to make any difference at all (Crosby, Stills and Nash when minus Young).

[woody123]

name='Wicked Lady']





Well, Bonnet was up against some pretty stiff competition in the 'who was the best singer paired with Blackmore' contest. I think he's a fab singer though and his first solo album is one of my all time faves. Never knew about the speech impediment!





As for the some bands turning into cover bands while others flourish: it really comes down to the kind of talent within the band. A lot of bands have members who suffer from John Entwistle Syndrome - very talented as songwriters and musicians in their own right, but they get overlooked or never got to develop because of more dominant personalities or talents (Rick Wright, John Deacon and George Harrison all suffered from this to varying degrees). Sometimes in bands, the 'star' leaves and the other talents get to step up and show what they got (Fleetwood Mac, Floyd, etc). Sometimes the remaining members are better off breaking up and moving on because it becomes painful to watch (Queen, INXS) and sometimes it doesn't seem to make any difference at all (Crosby, Stills and Nash when minus Young).

Crosby,Stills and Nash were the original incarnation(marrakhesh express, helplessly hoping etc.)NY joined for the 2nd album Deja Vu,so going back to CSN is actually the original format.

Graham Bonnets' ousting from Rainbow was a bad move..The story that went around when he left Rainbow was that his image didn't fit(Hawaiin shirts,short hair)and some Rainbow fans were more worried about this than the fact the band was losing one of the best hard rock voices.I never noticed a speech impediment on Rainbow,2 solo albums and a couple of Alcatrazz.

[billy bentley]

tonch, there's no such thing as a "proper" Fleetwod Mac, just incarnations (?) When someone gets divorced and re-married it doesn't mean the first marriage didn't exist, it means someone has "moved on". As much as I don't care for the later version of F.Mac, I respect the fact that they did not try to impersonate the earlier line-up - they moved on - from Home Counties Blues to Hollywood Big Bucks. Nothing wrong with that - except that my Blue Horizon 45 of "Albatross" is telling me the lost something in he process !

[GoggleboxUK]

name='Wicked Lady']





Well, Bonnet was up against some pretty stiff competition in the 'who was the best singer paired with Blackmore' contest. I think he's a fab singer though and his first solo album is one of my all time faves. Never knew about the speech impediment!





As for the some bands turning into cover bands while others flourish: it really comes down to the kind of talent within the band. A lot of bands have members who suffer from John Entwistle Syndrome - very talented as songwriters and musicians in their own right, but they get overlooked or never got to develop because of more dominant personalities or talents (Rick Wright, John Deacon and George Harrison all suffered from this to varying degrees). Sometimes in bands, the 'star' leaves and the other talents get to step up and show what they got (Fleetwood Mac, Floyd, etc). Sometimes the remaining members are better off breaking up and moving on because it becomes painful to watch (Queen, INXS) and sometimes it doesn't seem to make any difference at all (Crosby, Stills and Nash when minus Young).

Strange that you pulled John Deacon out of the bag that included Brian May and Roger Taylor.



Deacon had written only a handful of songs for Queen whereas Taylor and May were profilific in penning tunes for the band. Solo projects for Taylor (Lost in Space & Strange Frontier) weren't well received during Queen's lifespan and afterwards (his work with The Cross) was universally ignored. Brian May's Starfleet Project was more successful but it had the strength of Eddie Van Halen, Alan Gratzer and Phil Chen to back it up. After Freddie's demise Brian had a couple of minor hits (most notably Driven by You which was used as a Ford ad) but again his output, although masterful, fell short of successful.



I think any band that loses it's biggest character struggles to continue ( as stated, Queen, Van Halen and INXS are prime examples) although it does occasionally happen (Keith Moon and The Who, Peter Gabriel and Genesis).

[billy bentley]

And what have "The Who" done of value since Moon's departure, other than work The Oldies Circuit ?

[davidb]

the damned are often on the road in either a farewell or reunion tour with one or two original members .

the human league split even before they hit the big time ,oakey went out and recruited the two backing singers/dancers from a sheffield nightclub and the other lot became heaven 17 *

hawkwind went on without lemmy but i believe he now occasionally plays with them again .

there was once a version of the animals going with no original members



*good britmovie related question - anyone know why theyre called heaven 17 ?

[Wicked Lady]

name='GoggleboxUK']Strange that you pulled John Deacon out of the bag that included Brian May and Roger Taylor.



Deacon had written only a handful of songs for Queen whereas Taylor and May were profilific in penning tunes for the band. Solo projects for Taylor (Lost in Space & Strange Frontier) weren't well received during Queen's lifespan and afterwards (his work with The Cross) was universally ignored. Brian May's Starfleet Project was more successful but it had the strength of Eddie Van Halen, Alan Gratzer and Phil Chen to back it up. After Freddie's demise Brian had a couple of minor hits (most notably Driven by You which was used as a Ford ad) but again his output, although masterful, fell short of successful.



I think any band that loses it's biggest character struggles to continue ( as stated, Queen, Van Halen and INXS are prime examples) although it does occasionally happen (Keith Moon and The Who, Peter Gabriel and Genesis).

Oh, I heartily agree that Roger Taylor and Brian May are talents (I've always had a very soft spot for Dr May)- but John Deacon is woefully unrecognised in that company. He hasn't been part of Queen for some years and has anyone noticed? He just quietly slipped out the back door and disappeared. And yet the guy penned a couple of global number ones and was a very decent bass player.



My point was: you can have a LOT of talent in a band but it doesn't always get the chance to shine.

[Wicked Lady]

name='billy bentley']And what have "The Who" done of value since Moon's departure, other than work The Oldies Circuit ?

I suspect Pete Townshend's monumental issues with alcohol and heroin may have had more to do with the demise of The Who's output. Certainly the loss of Moon was catastrophic, but Pete wrote the songs.

[GoggleboxUK]

name='davidb']



*good britmovie related question - anyone know why theyre called heaven 17 ?

Yes, they took their name from the group featured in A Clockwork Orange.



I wonder what it is about Sheffield that produces such musical talent? Heaven 17, Human League,ABC, Def Leppard, Pulp, Moloka and Arctic Monkeys all hail from Steeltown and so do I (although I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!).

[dremble wedge]

name='GoggleboxUK']

I wonder what it is about Sheffield that produces such musical talent? Heaven 17, Human League,ABC, Def Leppard, Pulp, Moloka and Arctic Monkeys all hail from Steeltown and so do I (although I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!).

The excellent Richard Hawley too.

[wadsy]

name='GoggleboxUK']Yes, they took their name from the group featured in A Clockwork Orange.



I wonder what it is about Sheffield that produces such musical talent? Heaven 17, Human League,ABC, Def Leppard, Pulp, Moloka and Arctic Monkeys all hail from Steeltown and so do I (although I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!).

& Joe Cocker & Chris Stainton!

[Tonch]

....Don't forget the wonderful John Shuttleworth!!

name='billy bentley']tonch, there's no such thing as a "proper" Fleetwod Mac, just incarnations (?) When someone gets divorced and re-married it doesn't mean the first marriage didn't exist, it means someone has "moved on". As much as I don't care for the later version of F.Mac, I respect the fact that they did not try to impersonate the earlier line-up - they moved on - from Home Counties Blues to Hollywood Big Bucks. Nothing wrong with that - except that my Blue Horizon 45 of "Albatross" is telling me the lost something in he process !

Agree with the above billy...my remark about the "proper" FM was just me being tongue in cheek and playing devil's advocate btw



I like your point about moving on - I have respect for bands who evolve on the loss of a pivotal member, rather than try to plug the gap with a lookalike session man and carry on in the same vein. In particular those litigious incidents where ex bandmates squabble over the copyright of a group's name etc is always sad to behold I feel.

[davidb]

name='GoggleboxUK']Yes, they took their name from the group featured in A Clockwork Orange.



I wonder what it is about Sheffield that produces such musical talent? Heaven 17, Human League,ABC, Def Leppard, Pulp, Moloka and Arctic Monkeys all hail from Steeltown and so do I (although I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!).

yes thats right goggle



the sex pistols carried on for a year or so after john lydon left . they even recruited britmovies favourite criminal ronnie biggs for a couple of songs .



glad to see he's looking a bit better well done ron

[davidb]

boyzone split ....hurrah !

but then reformed and kept going ...

[Rowdon]

The Who have never had to play the "Oldies circuit", they can still sell out large venues and get an audience ranging from 12 to 70 ... having said that, the gigs are creaky in my opinion, too talky (why is it that old bands with a long history do that? I have a recording of the Zombies dong Odessey and Oracle a couple of years ago, and Argent's between-song comments are longer than the songs! To approxiquote Townsend himself, "it's a rock and roll show, not a f**king tea party") and no, they haven't produced anything of note since Moon died. Or for about 10 years before that.



The Damned are always worth a look if you get the chance, fronted by singer Vanian and guitarist Sensible, although a reunion of the original four would sound better, as can be seen in the 100 club dates done by the other two members with stand-in singer (it's all on youtube).



As for Slade, last Christmas they were doing a tour with two other acts: Mud II - using the slogan "containing members of 'Les Gray's Mud'" - not of Mud but of 'Les Gray's Mud', which only had the one original member until he died. So this Mud II is basically ... nobody. The other band on the bill was "T.Rextasy", a tribute band who have been going far longer than the original T.Rex. I'm sure they're very good but the mighty SLADE, one of the greatest British bands of the 70s if not all time, as part of that package? TRAGIC.

The reason is, obviously, that Jim Lea and Noddy Holder wrote the songs, and never have to work again. Dave Hill and Don Powell didn't, and do.





And jarvis cocker also comes from Sheffield.

[woody123]

name='billy bentley']tonch, there's no such thing as a "proper" Fleetwod Mac, just incarnations (?) When someone gets divorced and re-married it doesn't mean the first marriage didn't exist, it means someone has "moved on". As much as I don't care for the later version of F.Mac, I respect the fact that they did not try to impersonate the earlier line-up - they moved on - from Home Counties Blues to Hollywood Big Bucks. Nothing wrong with that - except that my Blue Horizon 45 of "Albatross" is telling me the lost something in he process !

Everyone seems to forget that Fleetwood Mac produced some excellent music in-between the Peter Green and Stevie Nicks incarnations.Albums like Mystery To Me and Bare Trees with Bob Welch on guitar are worth checking out and IMO much more satisfying than the Buckingham/Nicks line up which was geared toward the singles market.

[GoggleboxUK]

name='woody123']Everyone seems to forget that Fleetwood Mac produced some excellent music in-between the Peter Green and Stevie Nicks incarnations.Albums like Mystery To Me and Bare Trees with Bob Welch on guitar are worth checking out and IMO much more satisfying than the Buckingham/Nicks line up which was geared toward the singles market.

Woody just reminded me...



The Bay City Rollers split and then reformed

[batman]

Bad Company .... the original line up split, several alternative versions appeared (usually with one or two original members) and then the original line up reformed then split again. There won't be any more original line up reunions because sadly bassist Boz Burrell died in 2006.