halloween graphics - Page 3 - Britmovie - British Film Forum

Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum
Home Page Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

 »» halloween graphics
 »   Britmovie - British Film Forum » Back Row » New Users

Notices
Welcome to the Britmovie forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, Join our community today!!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

New Users For new members to introduce themselves, read the forum rules, and seek help with any problems. Also for feedback and site chat.


Reply
Page 3 of 4 < 12 3 4 >
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-11-2007, 10:09 PM
  post #31
batman is in pussy heaven!
Chief Member OBME
 
batman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Norwich
Posts: 18,525
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (13)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
Although this year they do seem to be getting the message that it's OK to have their own party if they want to, but that they shouldn't involve people who don't want to play

Steve
At last, another positive comment from someone, and something that I have been saying from the start of the concurrent Halloween debate on another thread.

I'm sorry if I seem passionate about this but it's just that I have participated in several threads on this forum where many people (myself included) have criticised our society and the threatening and anti-social behaviour of younger people. Some people, including you Steve, have mounted a sterling defence re some of those criticisms and made me re-assess my original views. Either way the discussions have been fairly balanced.

I just find it incredibly irritating that Halloween, something that is, in general, an activity for very young kids does not warrant a similar well balanced discussion simply because, to many, it is the fault of ''the bloody Yanks''.

Bats.

I wish I had claws.
Last edited by batman; 01-11-2007 at 10:30 PM.
batman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 10:35 PM
  post #32
DB7
DB7 is scavenging through life's very constant lulls
Administrator
 
DB7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Shrops
Posts: 6,468
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (10)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by batman View Post
I just find it incredibly irritating that Halloween, something that is, in general, an activity for very young kids does not warrant a similar well balanced discussion because, to many, it is the fault of ''the bloody Yanks''.

Bats.
I'm not sure we can blame the Yanks for this, our house was 'egged' nearly 30 years ago, I knew who did it and returned the favour with a dozen chocolate mouses - we should never underestimate a kids love of mischief and their creative flair .

Trouble with most adults it's do as I say, and they erase their own misspent youth from memory.
DB7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 11:13 PM
  post #33
Steve Crook is cheeky
Moderator
 
Steve Crook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Posts: 10,602
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
Trouble with most adults it's do as I say, and they erase their own misspent youth from memory.
I don't. I'm still mis-spending it

Steve
Steve Crook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 11:21 PM
  post #34
Steve Crook is cheeky
Moderator
 
Steve Crook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Posts: 10,602
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by batman View Post
As I have said several times on this forum Trick or Treating is not American in origin ....

''The practice of dressing up in costumes and begging door to door for treats on holidays goes back to the Middle Ages, and includes Christmas wassailing. Trick-or-treating resembles the late medieval practice of "souling," when poor folk would go door to door, receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on All Souls Day (All Hallows Day). It originated in Ireland, and is still popular there, and in some parts of England, Wales and Scotland.[5] Shakespeare mentions the practice in his comedy The Two Gentlemen of Verona (1593), when Speed accuses his master of "puling [whimpering, whining], like a beggar at Hallowmas."[6]''

.... so I will continue to embrace the culture of The Britsh Isles and Ireland.

Bats.
In fact the next paragraph in the Wikipedia entry says:
Yet there is no evidence that souling was ever practiced in America, and trick-or-treating may have developed in America independent of any Irish or British antecedent. There is little primary documentation of masking or costuming on Halloween — in Ireland, the UK, or America — before 1900. The earliest reference to ritual begging on Halloween in English speaking America occurs in 1915, with another isolated reference in Chicago in 1920.

Steve
Steve Crook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 11:27 PM
  post #35
penfold is feeling his age suddenly......
Moderator
 
penfold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3,905
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfgang View Post
I am against celebrating Halloween - we should not be inviting Satan into our lives. It is still basically devil worship no matter how innocent certain activities seem. My family's only acknowledgement of this heathen night used to be putting turnip in our front window to ward off demonic spirits.
Did it work???

As pagan heathen's don't believe in God, or Heaven, they don't believe in Hell or the Devil either, paganism is one thing (pre-dating and influencing Christian practices) and Satanism another. In a sense you have to be of a branch of Judeo-Christian faith to believe in the existence of the Devil, let alone worship......
Bit of a Bay Window, what??
penfold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 11:29 PM
  post #36
Pip
Pip has no status.
Senior Member
 
Pip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 105
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfgang View Post
My family's only acknowledgement of this heathen night used to be putting turnip in our front window to ward off demonic spirits.
I put turnip on my lawn for the wild rabbits - but I haven't seen any demonic ones yet - except in Donnie Darko.
Pip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2007, 11:32 PM
  post #37
penfold is feeling his age suddenly......
Moderator
 
penfold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3,905
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default
Talking of heathens.....
Reported in the Catholic Herald recently......
Protestant Archloon 'Dr' Ian Paisley was being interviewed recently in Dublin....the interviewer asks him if he had any regrets....
'Yes, I do wish I had been able to come to Dublin more often......(several seconds pause).....SO AS TO CONVERT YOU HEATHENS"......
Must say I'm warming to the old buffer.....
Bit of a Bay Window, what??
penfold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 02:39 AM
  post #38
smiffy is Gobsmacked ,but trying to remain Indifferent to recent events
Senior Member
 
smiffy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: MANCHESTER
Posts: 567
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (2)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfgang View Post
At Halloween you often get Satanists and drunk students holding seances or summoning demons, and children are much more exposed these days. Schools don't have daily prayer sessions nowadays as part of its multi-faith appeasement, and also fewer children are being baptised so they have become more 'exposed', and as result I think we are seeing many more cases of demonic possession. Child psychologists have this new term for it: Attention Deficiency Syndrome. But i think it is no coincidence that these so called 'condition' seems to be increasing as we become more godless.
Wolfgang I was having a grumpy old man rant in an earlier thread and mistakenly connected A D D to ignorance and bad manners .I think the point I was trying to make ( and this fits into your "so called condition " and godlessness remark) was that there is a lot of bad behaviour that is nothing to do with having A D D , but is actually bad behaviour . We live in an ever changing world and we are learning all the time ,some people latch onto something to excuse why they have done something ,and this does not help the people who actually are struggling with a condition they cannot control.
Bats made some enlightening comments "for me" regarding trick or treat and the connection to our own culture and heritage
I personally think that we are becoming more godless because we worship less frequently ( If at all ) and Demonic possesion ? The Exorcist has left an impression on me to this day ,but my faith and my reason leave me with this powerful feeling that the human pshyce has a massive influence on any possesion of the soul.
A D D , A D S , drunken students holding seances ,multi faith appeasement , HALLOWEEN ,none of these are the reason for godlessness , anybody got the answer ?
I May be getting older ,but I refuse to grow up
smiffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 08:45 AM
  post #39
Moor Larkin has no status.
Senior Member
 
Moor Larkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: North West Frontier
Posts: 1,610
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default
Ah..... Having read that little flurry, I now realise that those Halloween graphics were indeed the work of the Devil.........

Personally I've always liked the Mexican Dia de los Muertos, but freely admit I know next to nothing about it. It's certainly a lot more colourful and offers many more possibilities for new 'skins'......

Code:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29487363@N02/sets/72157606700675506/
Last edited by Moor Larkin; 02-11-2007 at 09:14 AM.
Moor Larkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 10:03 AM
  post #40
batman is in pussy heaven!
Chief Member OBME
 
batman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Norwich
Posts: 18,525
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (13)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
In fact the next paragraph in the Wikipedia entry says:
Yet there is no evidence that souling was ever practiced in America, and trick-or-treating may have developed in America independent of any Irish or British antecedent. There is little primary documentation of masking or costuming on Halloween — in Ireland, the UK, or America — before 1900. The earliest reference to ritual begging on Halloween in English speaking America occurs in 1915, with another isolated reference in Chicago in 1920.

Steve
I didn't use that paragraph because I was trying to be as factual and as brief as possible about the origins of ''Trick or Treat''. The paragraph merely states that ''trick or treat may have developed independently'' so I felt it was unreliable.

Perhaps I should have used the following article about the history of Halloween which can be found on the Magick7 site.

History Of Trick or Treat
The Druids believed that the spirits of the dead returned to the world of the living each year on the eve of November 1.Manyof the spirits were mischievous in nature, while some had evil streaks, and were delighted to harm humans. The white robe priests of the rights of Samhain wore masks upon their faces to disguise themselves as spirits. This would trick the walking dead into thinking they were one of them, and not flesh and bone mortals. Safely camouflaged the priests would gather without being victims of ghosts, fairies,, or demonic supernatural beings. The general population would wear clothes of the opposite gender to disguise themselves of being recognized by their ancestors. This confusion would prevent relatives from taking them back into the Other world at the end of the night.

In the “Burning Times” the dark period of history when people were executed throughout most of Europe for practicing Witchcraft. Practitioners of the old religion started to wear dark colored robes and masks. They gathered in forests and fields on Halloween night to celebrate the Sabbat, work powerful magickal spells and healing charms, and perform divinations. Their attire concealed their identities from those who might turn them in. The wearing of robes and masks that were means of protection for practitioners in the seventieth and eighteenth century, became a custom of wearing masks and costumes on Halloween and parading from house to house. This became as “guising,”
and it is believed to be originated from Scotland. They dressed and painted to look like ghosts, ghouls, and other supernatural creatures. The guisers would parade from house to house, filling the night with song and dance to intimidate malicious spirits and keep all evil at bay.

In Ireland ,the jack-o‘-lanterns gave the soft glow of light, which lit the way for those who went door to door. They demanded tribute for the old Pagan God Muck Olla. Guisers also collected special round loves known as “soul cakes” and other foods for the dead. It is believed that the charitable act of donating food or money to all beggars who showed up at the front door on Halloween night ensured one’s prosperity or offered protection against a wide range of misfortunes.

In the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, the customs of guising were no more than whimsical masquerades for children. On Halloween they went door to door begging for apples and nuts and singing traditional Halloween folk songs, like this one from the English county of Shropshire:

Soul! Soul! A soul-cake!
I pray, good missis, a soul-cake!
An apple or pear, a plum or a cherry,
Any good thing to make us merry,
One for Peter, two for Paul,
Three for Him who made us all.
Up with the kettle, and down with the pan,
Give us good alms, and we’ll be gone.

If the guisers were refused a “treat” they would retaliate with a prank of some sort known as a “trick,” hence the term “trick or treat.” Traditional tricks in England were, stopping up chimneys with pieces of turf, blowing smoke through keyholes, and smashing glass bottles against walls to simulate the sound of windows smashing. In the nineteenth century guising was brought across the Atlantic Ocean to the New World, the United states by the immigrants, and eventually evolved to what Halloween is known today.

Other names by which Halloween has, and is still, known by include Calangaeaf, Day of the Dead, Feast of Spirits, Festival of the Dead, Martinmas, November Eve, Old Hallowmas, Samana, Samonios, Santos, Third Harvest, Third Festival of Harvest, Vigil of Saman, and Vigil of Todos. Modern day Pagans of Wicca prefer their Halloween sabbat by its original Celtic Name of Samhaim. There are also certain traditions in the Craft that use the name, Shadowfest, or simply October 31 as the Witches ‘New Year’s Eve.


This article clearly states that ''Trick or Treat'' has evolved from ''guising'' which was practised in England in the 18th century and was taken to the US in the 19th century.

Phew, I'm glad I've got that off my chest!

Bats.
I wish I had claws.
Last edited by batman; 02-11-2007 at 10:42 AM.
batman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 10:14 AM
  post #41
batman is in pussy heaven!
Chief Member OBME
 
batman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Norwich
Posts: 18,525
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (13)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by penfold View Post

As pagan heathen's don't believe in God, or Heaven, they don't believe in Hell or the Devil either, paganism is one thing (pre-dating and influencing Christian practices) and Satanism another. In a sense you have to be of a branch of Judeo-Christian faith to believe in the existence of the Devil, let alone worship......
I remember when Gladiator was released there was a ripple of discontent from Paganists because Russell Crowe, at the start of the film, instructed his troops to ''unleash Hell''. The Paganists objected because, as a pre-Christian, Crowe's character wouldn't have known what Hell was.

Bats.
I wish I had claws.
batman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 10:16 AM
  post #42
batman is in pussy heaven!
Chief Member OBME
 
batman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Norwich
Posts: 18,525
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (13)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
Ah..... Having read that little flurry, I now realise that those Halloween graphics were indeed the work of the Devil.........

Personally I've always liked the Mexican Dia de los Muertos, but freely admit I know next to nothing about it. It's certainly a lot more colourful and offers many more possibilities for new 'skins'......
I think you would enjoy the Captain David Grief episode ''The Ghost of Tupapau'' which features rituals from Dia de los Muertes in the story. Max, of course, saves the day!

Bats.
I wish I had claws.
batman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 11:21 AM
  post #43
Harleybloke is a potential lottery winner - honest!
Senior Member
 
Harleybloke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 2,583
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by batman View Post
It may be in your neighbourhood Steve, but around here it's just good family fun.

I do not see why it is such a big deal that what is regarded by most people as harmless fun is vilified so much because it may have an American connection. We all watch American movies, many people eat American food and drink. I love my country and enjoy it's heritage and culture as much as anyone else, I do not see why the fact that I and many others indulge in a bit of ''americanised'' fun once is a year should make us a target for such disdain.

Some people may use it for anti-social reasons, but that happens with many activities, why keep picking on Halloween? Let's have a go at the charity workers have have the audacity to ask for money by putting little envelopes though our doors.

I am now going to open a bottle of Coke, settle down on the sofa and watch a Hollywood movie.

(Bats)
When I moan about it and blame the Yanks, Bats, It's tongue in cheek and a dip at 'E.T.' because before that film came out, whether or not it originated in Britain, I can't ever remember as a kid having 'Trick or Treat'.

last Year, in our town in Herts, the anti social behaviour was rife. we didn't answer the door. When we got up the following morning, the house and both cars had been pelted by eggs. Oh Joy!

On any other day of the year the police would nick 'em. 31/10 seems to be a 'Get out of jail free card' kinda day. Sure anti social behaviour goes on all year round but boy does Halloween give 'em a real 'reason' for overtime. Charity envelopes? Never yet had the car or house egged by charity workers but who knows.......

I saw loads of little kids with parents out - fine, I hope they had fun, I really do. You get a short enough time for childhood innocence as it is but just as you are really in favour, I'm really not, I just hate it.100%.

.....You couldn't hear it, if they were shooting at me with howitzers!
Harleybloke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 11:27 AM
  post #44
batman is in pussy heaven!
Chief Member OBME
 
batman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Norwich
Posts: 18,525
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (13)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harleybloke View Post
When I moan about it and blame the Yanks, Bats, It's tongue in cheek and a dip at 'E.T.' because before that film came out, whether or not it originated in Britain, I can't ever remember as a kid having 'Trick or Treat'.

last Year, in our town in Herts, the anti social behaviour was rife. we didn't answer the door. When we got up the following morning, the house and both cars had been pelted by eggs. Oh Joy!

On any other day of the year the police would nick 'em. 31/10 seems to be a 'Get out of jail free card' kinda day. Sure anti social behaviour goes on all year round but boy does Halloween give 'em a real 'reason' for overtime. Charity envelopes? Never yet had the car or house egged by charity workers but who knows.......

I saw loads of little kids with parents out - fine, I hope they had fun, I really do. You get a short enough time for childhood innocence as it is but just as you are really in favour, I'm really not, I just hate it.100%.
Fair do's Harley .... I've just been in 'irritable sod' mode recently.

I mentioned charity workers because a few years ago one came to the door and asked if I had the envelope he had left a couple of days earlier. When I gave it back to him empty he gave me a foul look and asked why I hadn't put any money in it. When I told him I only gave to specific charities and his wasn't one of them, he called me a 'tight bastard'! Ho hum.

Bats.
I wish I had claws.
batman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 11:33 AM
  post #45
Harleybloke is a potential lottery winner - honest!
Senior Member
 
Harleybloke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 2,583
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by batman View Post
Fair do's Harley .... I've just been in 'irritable sod' mode recently.

I mentioned charity workers because a few years ago one came to the door and asked if I had the envelope he had left a couple of days earlier. When I gave it back to him empty he gave me a foul look and asked why I hadn't put any money in it. When I told him I only gave to specific charities and his wasn't one of them, he called me a 'tight bastard'! Ho hum.

Bats.
No worries Bats, let's agree to differ!
.....You couldn't hear it, if they were shooting at me with howitzers!
Harleybloke is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 3 of 4 < 12 3 4 >

Bookmarks


« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
<