Prophetic Dream

[darrenburnfan]

I feel I must tell someone about a strange happening, the like of which has never happened to me before and I wonder if anything similar has happened to other members.



Arthur Shea was Chief Projectionist at the Plaza, Fenton, when I started work with him as a trainee projectionist in 1962 and we worked together for eight years until 1970, when he left to go to another job. He was a good work mate and a good friend whom I kept in contact with over the years, although I hadn’t actually seen him since 1990, twenty years ago.



Well, the night before last, I had a strange dream. I dreamed that I was sitting on my settee, looking through a pile of records, when I youngish man in a gray suit whom I’d never seen before came and stood behind me with a concerned look on his face. I turned around and asked him what was the matter? “Arthur Shea is dead”, said the man. “Is he?”, I asked. “Yes”, said the man, “he was 82.” “I haven’t seen it in The Sentinel”, I told him. “You will do”, said the man and then I woke up. What a strange thing to dream about, I thought to myself.



Well, that was in the early hours of Thursday morning and this morning, Friday, I went for my copy of The Sentinel, as I do every day and came back with it and sat down on my settee and began to read it and eventually got to the Births, Marriages and Death pages…and there it was…the announcement that Arthur Shea had died, aged 81 (he would have been 82 in June). I was really taken aback. Not just by the announcement, but by the fact that I had been told about this by a strange man in a dream two nights previously! Isn’t that one hell of a strange occurrence?

[will.15]

Abe Lincoln's Premonition of his own Death

[darrenburnfan]

Very strange, Will. Let's hope I don't have a dream where someone comes to me and tells me I only have ten days left.

[smudge]

Wierd...



I remember just days before his death I woke up absolutely convinced by a dream that Peter Cushing had died; now I'd not been reading anything about him in the papers or heard anything on the news - it was just the spookiest feeling, one Saturday morning.



It was so strong in me that I sent Mrs. Smudge downstairs to check out the news as I didn't really want to have it confirmed to myself. The timing of my omen was out, but sadly a few days later we lost the great man.



I've never dreamed such a dream, or had such an ominous feeling since.



Smudge

[darrenburnfan]

Yes, Smudge, a very weird event...just like mine.

[Steve Crook]

name='smudge']Wierd...



I remember just days before his death I woke up absolutely convinced by a dream that Peter Cushing had died; now I'd not been reading anything about him in the papers or heard anything on the news - it was just the spookiest feeling, one Saturday morning.



It was so strong in me that I sent Mrs. Smudge downstairs to check out the news as I didn't really want to have it confirmed to myself. The timing of my omen was out, but sadly a few days later we lost the great man.



I've never dreamed such a dream, or had such an ominous feeling since.



Smudge

This is like the cases where you think of someone and then they phone you. Spooky



What you really need to do to see if it is prophetic or spooky is to count up all of those times when you dream of someone or think of someone for no particular reason and then they DON'T phone you and their death isn't reported in the newspaper the next day.



When you put it into context like that you realise that it isn't premonition but is another type of event - coincidence



Steve

[GoggleboxUK]

name='Steve Crook']This is like the cases where you think of someone and then they phone you. Spooky



What you really need to do to see if it is prophetic or spooky is to count up all of those times when you dream of someone or think of someone for no particular reason and then they DON'T phone you and their death isn't reported in the newspaper the next day.



When you put it into context like that you realise that it isn't premonition but is another type of event - coincidence



Steve

That's a bit ;ike trudging through 5 inches of snow in your trainers and thinking of all the times you've gone out without getting freezing cold toes and soggy socks then telling yourself you're not wet and cold.



You can't judge the seemingly paranormal in normal terms.



Deja Vu is an extremely commonly reported occurence and there are many documented cases of psychics 'seeing' things that they couldn't otherwise know. In many cases the police have been helped nu these unexplained occurances.



When you consider the human brain is roughly 92% unused there's definite scope for evolution to be going on at an extra-sensory level. Science is spending vast amounts of money on research into ESP (which is what these happenings fall under) and new examples of the unexplained are happening every day.



Many autistic people have above aveage abilities to remember and recall in the minutest detail and I saw a case documented where an autistic adult was able to draw a building to architectural blueprint standards after viewing it for 10 minutes having never been to the sire before in his life. It's just an ability that has developed because the electric pathways in the brain have re-routed themselves to compensate for a disbility, a by product of a disease. What's to say that, in the future, all humans won't be capable of such extraordinary feats? Maybe we're in the early stages of evolving into a species that can communicate without sound.



Maybe Darren and Smudge's experiences are results of having formed a subconscious link with those they dreamed of, a link that, as yet, hasn't been identified bu science. The trouble with scientists is they bend over backwards to prove or disprove theories based on fact and hard evidence and have very little time for anything that falls into a 'grey' area.

[Steve Crook]

name='GoggleboxUK']That's a bit ;ike trudging through 5 inches of snow in your trainers and thinking of all the times you've gone out without getting freezing cold toes and soggy socks then telling yourself you're not wet and cold.

No, it's nothing like that

You can't judge the seemingly paranormal in normal terms.



Deja Vu is an extremely commonly reported occurence and there are many documented cases of psychics 'seeing' things that they couldn't otherwise know. In many cases the police have been helped nu these unexplained occurances.

And police have also often been misled by people claiming that they have evidence through dreams or other paranormal activities.

When you consider the human brain is roughly 92% unused

Some people don't even use that much

there's definite scope for evolution to be going on at an extra-sensory level. Science is spending vast amounts of money on research into ESP (which is what these happenings fall under) and new examples of the unexplained are happening every day.



Many autistic people have above aveage abilities to remember and recall in the minutest detail and I saw a case documented where an autistic adult was able to draw a building to architectural blueprint standards after viewing it for 10 minutes having never been to the sire before in his life. It's just an ability that has developed because the electric pathways in the brain have re-routed themselves to compensate for a disbility, a by product of a disease. What's to say that, in the future, all humans won't be capable of such extraordinary feats? Maybe we're in the early stages of evolving into a species that can communicate without sound.



Maybe Darren and Smudge's experiences are results of having formed a subconscious link with those they dreamed of, a link that, as yet, hasn't been identified bu science. The trouble with scientists is they bend over backwards to prove or disprove theories based on fact and hard evidence and have very little time for anything that falls into a 'grey' area.

Maybe they are. I wasn't talking about certainties, I was talking about likelihood and probabilities.



The trouble with many non-scientists is that they often don't take the trouble to listen properly to understand what scientists are saying



Most of science is about investigating the 'grey' areas where people don't know what's happening. Most of the time they don't reach any conclusions. That isn't the same as dismissing the effect.



Science doesn't work by saying "Until it's proved it can't be happening", it works by saying "This is happening, can it be proved?"



But what the scientist won't do is to dismiss all the multiple times he's though about aunt Gertrude and she hasn't phoned and focus on the only time when she did happen to phone just after he thought about her - and then claim that that is some mystical event.



Steve

[GoggleboxUK]

name='Steve Crook']



But what the scientist won't do is to dismiss all the multiple times he's though about aunt Gertrude and she hasn't phoned and focus on the only time when she did happen to phone just after he thought about her - and then claim that that is some mystical event.



Steve

I don't think either Darren's or smudge's premonition can simply be dismissed in those terms. THe terms weird, strange and freaky are used to replace the phrase "I know something has happened here but I don't understand what."



Even an argumentative Devil's Advocate such as yourself must realise that there's always something out there in need of an explanation, that's why there are scientists.

[Steve Crook]

name='GoggleboxUK']I don't think either Darren's or smudge's premonition can simply be dismissed in those terms. THe terms weird, strange and freaky are used to replace the phrase "I know something has happened here but I don't understand what."



Even an argumentative Devil's Advocate such as yourself must realise that there's always something out there in need of an explanation, that's why there are scientists.

Who's dismissing them? I'm certainly not.



That's exactly what I am saying, "There's something in need of explanation but I don't know what it is". But I certainly don't leap to the assumption that it's paranormal or even that it's weird, strange and freaky.



I'm saying that things like this should be investigated, but that you should take into account the situations where these events could be expected to happen, but don't.



Remember "The Case of the Dog that Barked in the Night". Sherlock Holmes knew that a dog not barking is as noteworthy as a dog that does bark



Steve

[will.15]

Burst Impression: Predictions for 2010



Psychic's predictions for 20010

[Steve Crook]

name='will.15']Burst Impression: Predictions for 2010



Psychic's predictions for 20010

That's a real scatter gun approach they've got there

They predict 50 or so different things and when some of them happen (as they probably will) they claim total success



It's like the spiritualist who looks out at a room full of elderly women who asks "Is there a Mary here? I'm getting a message for Mary." The chances are high that there will be a few people in such a room called Mary. Then they say "I'm getting a message from ... is it your husband?" If Mary says she was never married or if her husband is still alive then the performer (for that's what they are) then tries a few more likely routes.



They're all just playing the odds



Steve

[GoggleboxUK]

Indeed he did and followed the evidence to discover the truth. Ho;mes isn't a closed mind despite his abilities to decipher the seemingly indecipherable. In The Last Vampyre Holmes recounts his experience to Watson and admits to seeing a ghost. He even admits that there are such things as living "sponges" which suck up the energy of others.

[smudge]

LOL I am open to coincidence - it's the sort of coincidence I didn't want though...



What I can't convey on here is the feeling that came with the dream - it was very strange, as was the way I was so convinced that I had seen the 'truth'.



Smudge

[Steve Crook]

name='GoggleboxUK']Indeed he did and followed the evidence to discover the truth. Ho;mes isn't a closed mind despite his abilities to decipher the seemingly indecipherable. In The Last Vampyre Holmes recounts his experience to Watson and admits to seeing a ghost. He even admits that there are such things as living "sponges" which suck up the energy of others.

Are you assuming or implying that I've got a closed mind because I look at alternative explanations?



Steve

[will.15]

The creator of Sherlock Holmes, Conan Doyle, became a spiritualist in later years and was easily duped by some obvious charlatans. He had a spiriited debate with Harry Houdini who thought all mediums were fakes.

[Steve Crook]

name='will.15']The creator of Sherlock Holmes, Conan Doyle, became a spiritualist in later years and was easily duped by some obvious charlatans. He had a spiriited debate with Harry Houdini who thought all mediums were fakes.

Conan Doyle was taken in by charlatans and by children playing around - like the girls that did the [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_fairies]Cottingley Faries[/ame]



A case of someone wanting to believe too much and leaving themselves open to fakes and mistakes



Steve

[GoggleboxUK]

name='Steve Crook']Are you assuming or implying that I've got a closed mind because I look at alternative explanations?



Steve

No, there was no assumption or umplication in my posts. I'm merely pointing out that whatever the subject "looking at alternatives" is your stance. You might see this as scientific but it most often comes across as derisory.

[darrenburnfan]

The strange thing regarding my case is that both my parents died in hospital in the early hours of the morning some years apart...dad in 1970 and mum in 1986. I would, because of the time they died, have been asleep at the time. Yet no one came to me in a dream and told me they had died. I was to learn that several hours later by telephone when I was awake. So why should someone come to me in a dream to tell me that my old work mate Arthur had died? After all, he wasn't more important than my parents. It was my first experience with something like this and I most probably won't experience anything similar again.

[torinfan]

I had a precognitive thought before my father went on his business trip to Florida in late 1998: that that would be the last time I would see him. He died in his sleep of a heart attack in his hotel room.



I've had a few other prophetic dreams involving another person but out of respect for that person I can't go into too much detail. But I do find your dream fascinating, Darrenburnfan.