Wolfgang

Third time lucky...

Moor Larkin

I've got an old autobiography by Hindenburg (the man, not the balloon)........ He seemed to still be struggling to figure out for himself how the first one went wrong.

Aaryk Noctivagus

Perhaps its simply a matter of perspective like in the Earth-Mimbari war

Whether lost or frustrated, Hitler didn't get what he was after and it must have had a psychological effect on a person like Hitler... that's really my point even if the terms I used in the post may leave something to be desired

orpheum

Hitlers attack would seem beyond reason to all of us but it was indicated that he would do this when he wrote Mein Kampf.So it was not just a whim.In 1941 he was not contemplating an escalation in the war with Britain and war with the USA seemed a long way off.

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Moor Larkin

Shame for him he didn't read his own book then........

To achieve this expansion in the East and to win back land lost during the First World War, Hitler claimed that it might be necessary to form an alliance with Britain and Italy. An alliance with Britain was vitally important because it would prevent Germany fighting a war in the East and West at the same time.
Mein Kampf : Nazi Germany

orpheum

It is a great pity that Chamberlain and his bunch of idiots did not think to be properly briefed on Hitlers intentions.It is for example one of the more extroadinary facts about the Munich conference that Chamberlain went without Eden his Foreign Secretary.A man who had virtually no experience of foreign affairs,unless you count running Birmingham Council decided to take it on his own back to deal with this matter.

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Steve Crook

Before you dismiss Chamberlain and his party as a bunch of idiots, have you considered that he might well have known exactly what he was doing and was playing for time? Britain wasn't ready for war in '38 and needed that extra time to prepare.

Steve

Moor Larkin

I played a computer game based on the Titanic to completion a while back. I forget the exact trivia of history but the 'reward' for saving the ship was also saving some painting or other that led to the fame and fortune of one Adolf Hitler, the artist. The twist was that the finale of the game, in which you appeared not only to have saved the ship but also prevented WWI and WWII, was that your apartment door was suddenly smashed in and you were dragged away by Soviet-uniformed 'gestapo', whilst your wireless was tuned in to the latest speech from the leader of free Europe ranting against the capitalist dogs of America. It was Comrade Stalin.

orpheum

Sorry Steve but he was ac omplete noncompoop.Anyone who did not agree with him such as Vansitart was promoted ie sidelined.He should have stood up to Hitler when he re entered the Rhineland.If he had it might have been a whole different ballgame.In fact foreign policy since 1945 has been predicated on the basis of avoiding another Munich eg Suez

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Aaryk Noctivagus

Wow... sounds like my sort of game.

Steve Crook

Yes, it might have been a different ballgame. He might have declared war on Hitler in '36 or '38 - and we would have then lost. That would have been different

Steve

Moor Larkin

Reading the reviews makes me think my historical remembrance was only one option available.....

Great game if you are Titanic-mad, like wandering around empty corridors looking at walls and listening to plinky-plonky piano. If you like action, forget it......

Amazon.co.uk: Titanic "Adventure Out Of Time": Software

penfold

Agree absolutely. If you compare the relative advancement in military equipment design between the British Forces and the German forces - planes, tanks - in '38 we would have lost as fast as France did in 1939-40.
We had the designs on the board - and the prototypes built - but not with the squadrons. The first Spit joined the RAF in August 1938 and they were only delivered at the rate of one per week....there were more Hurricanes, but not many. In contrast, there were squadrons of Bf109's flown by pilots blooded in action over Spain....and as for the bombers....
Wittingly or not, the period between Munich and the end of the 'Phoney War' was just enough breathing space to get our defences prepared.

Bit of a Bay Window, what??

Aaryk Noctivagus

lol - My interest would be neither Titanic related, nor action related. I have an interest in the possible effects of changing past events upon the future - games of temporal dominos. Just call me a Sci-Fi Geek - lol

royzee

This thread seems to have wandered a long way off the original theme of the Battle of Kursk. Hitler's Operation Zitadelle was memorable for many things but not all of the history books written about the world's biggest ever tank battle get it completely correct.

Whatever the case, there has not as far as I know been a film about it. Probably because there were no yanks present in contrast to 'The Battle of The Bulge' 'Bridge Too Far' SPM etc etc.

Some good Russian war films and TV coming out.