Behaviour 'good' or 'outstanding' in most schools

[Torquemada]

Behaviour is good or outstanding in almost four out of five of England's secondary schools, data suggests.



Statistics compiled from school inspections show more schools are being rated highly on this measure.



In December 2006, nearly 74% of schools in England were rated good or outstanding for behaviour, while last year, 78.6% were.



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BBC News - Behaviour 'good' or 'outstanding' in most schools



Does anyone actually swallow this garbage?

[Mr Sloane]

Well I believe that most children are well behaved.

[jimw1]

name='Torquemada']

In December 2006, nearly 74% of schools in England were rated good or outstanding for behaviour, while last year, 78.6% were.







Does anyone actually swallow this garbage?

Not Me........

[Torquemada]

name='Mr Sloane']Well I believe that most children are well behaved.

Most children can behave well, but very few will always behave well.



I good friend of mine teaches in a school that was recently inspected. The inspectors gave six months notice of the inspection, the classes they selected the classes they observed, but gave two weeks notice of which classes these would be, allowing the school to remove the troublemakers and ensure the optimum result. According to my friend, most children are generally well-behaved but there is a significant element that holds back much of the attainment across the whole school because of their disruptive attitude and behaviour. This has been allowed to persist as there are rules laid down, but no hard and fast enforcement because the management is weak and do not support their staff in applying the very rules they themselves drew up. But because of the nature of the inspection and the prior notice the school was judged to have 'good and often excellent behaviour' and so it's good new week yet again.

[Mr Sloane]

I just don't see the world like you do. I have all my life lived in either council estates or the inner city. I don't think the majority of children behave appreciably any differently to the way they did in my day.

I do think the worst behaved now behave even worse than they did in my day but I don't think the majority or even a sizeable minority of kids are the spawn of the devil.

[Torquemada]

name='Mr Sloane']I just don't see the world like you do. I have all my life lived in either council estates or the inner city. I don't think the majority of children behave appreciably any differently to the way they did in my day.

I do think the worst behaved now behave even worse than they did in my day but I don't think the majority or even a sizeable minority of kids are the spawn of the devil.

You appear to be interpretting my views the way you want to see them and not how they really are.

[batman]

name='Mr Sloane']Well I believe that most children are well behaved.

I agree Mr S .... I come into contact with lots of kids of all ages and they are mostly well behaved. I actually believe that, in general. the behaviour of kids (inc teenagers) has improved over the past couple of years or so. Sure there are problems with certain areas ... but it's always been like that. Even in 'sleepy' Norwich we had 'no go areas' .... these days those parts of the city are pretty safe. My friends who live in other parts of the country tell similar stories.

[Mr Sloane]

name='Torquemada']You appear to be interpretting my views the way you want to see them and not how they really are.

Sorry if I have misunderstood but was is your point then ?

[HUGHJAMPTON]

It's no worse than when I was a kid. I was a horrible little bugger when amongst my peer group, and butter wouldn't melt in my mouth in the company of adults.



Trouble is, adults now, forget how they behaved when they were younger.

[Windthrop]

name='Torquemada']Most children can behave well, but very few will always behave well.



I good friend of mine teaches in a school that was recently inspected. The inspectors gave six months notice of the inspection, the classes they selected the classes they observed, but gave two weeks notice of which classes these would be, allowing the school to remove the troublemakers and ensure the optimum result. According to my friend, most children are generally well-behaved but there is a significant element that holds back much of the attainment across the whole school because of their disruptive attitude and behaviour. This has been allowed to persist as there are rules laid down, but no hard and fast enforcement because the management is weak and do not support their staff in applying the very rules they themselves drew up. But because of the nature of the inspection and the prior notice the school was judged to have 'good and often excellent behaviour' and so it's good new week yet again.

An easy way to get rid of the disruptive pupils would be to apply the 'three strikes and youre ou rule that one of the schools local to me uses. It also uses cctv in all classrooms and pupil areas. The parents are aware of contract they enter into when their children join the school. I understand the system, though harsh and 'big brotherish', works.



I agree that weak management is at fault in many schools. A teacher friend of mine was assaulted by a pupil and got not management support. They were told that that they had 'collided with a incident of childhood trauma'

[theuofc]

name='Torquemada']Behaviour is good or outstanding in almost four out of five of England's secondary schools, data suggests.



Statistics compiled from school inspections show more schools are being rated highly on this measure.



In December 2006, nearly 74% of schools in England were rated good or outstanding for behaviour, while last year, 78.6% were.



Link



BBC News - Behaviour 'good' or 'outstanding' in most schools



Does anyone actually swallow this garbage?

NO. For years, studies have indicated that poor to rude to violent behaviour has been on the increase, and not just in schools but in society, urban and rural, alas.



I'd like to know who did the rating, what the specific checkoff list was, if conclusions were arrived at through inspectors' observation and/or reports from teachers and administrators, and the number of students from poorer schools and well-heeled schools in the inspection.



Moreover, there are factors that could skew the modest 4.6 increase in good behaviour, such as student dropout in the interval.



Best,



Barbara

[theuofc]

name='Windthrop']An easy way to get rid of the disruptive pupils would be to apply the 'three strikes and youre ou rule that one of the schools local to me uses. It also uses cctv in all classrooms and pupil areas. The parents are aware of contract they enter into when their children join the school. I understand the system, though harsh and 'big brotherish', works.



I agree that weak management is at fault in many schools. A teacher friend of mine was assaulted by a pupil and got not management support. They were told that that they had 'collided with a incident of childhood trauma'

Yes, management often tip toes around to avoid confrontations with parents and community groups banging on their office doors or showing up en masse at school board meetings. Management like to keep their jobs and perhaps figure that teachers are expendable.



Best,



Barbara

[Torquemada]

name='Mr Sloane']Sorry if I have misunderstood but was is your point then ?

The point is kids are the same as they have always been, but the kidology about ever-improving schools is constantly being ratcheted up. The problem lies with school senior staff, LEAs and government who either constantly interfere, fail to support or both, teaching staff when they are trying to enforce the rules they themselves are expected to apply.

[Torquemada]

name='theuofc']NO. For years, studies have indicated that poor to rude to violent behaviour has been on the increase, and not just in schools but in society, urban and rural, alas.

And Barbara every teacher knows there is no greater barrier to academic attainment than poor behaviour. Whichever way we cut it there are very few classes now that do not have one severely disruptive individual. I'm always amazed the parents of the majority i.e. the good kids, don't complain collectively as it is their kids education that suffers because of the lack support for staff in enforcing school rules. My friend reported a kid who constantly refused to follow the school's rules on, they were then reported to the department head and the pupil still refused to do as they were instructed. The department head then took the pupil to the deputy head and told him the pupil was refusing to follow the school rules and the dep head said 'we don't have rules in the school anymore, just expectations'.

[penfold]

name='HUGHJAMPTON']It's no worse than when I was a kid. I was a horrible little bugger when amongst my peer group, and butter wouldn't melt in my mouth in the company of adults.



Trouble is, adults now, forget how they behaved when they were younger.

Quite. I wasn't a bad kid, but I had my moments...and as for some of my contemporaries....

[Torquemada]

name='penfold']Quite. I wasn't a bad kid, but I had my moments...and as for some of my contemporaries....

But as I have laboured to get across the point is that kids are the same as they ever where and we would have been far worse if we had just been allowed to get away with it and that is where we are now.

[CaptainWaggett]

name='Torquemada']But as I have laboured to get across the point is that kids are the same as they ever where and we would have been far worse if we had just been allowed to get away with it and that is where we are now.

I don't remember ever being caught out and where am I now?

[batman]

As far as I can tell, from my own experiences over the years and from my own more recent observations of schools (both local and further afield) things haven't changed that much. There was certainly a time when schools were 'under siege' from unruly pupils, but that corner appears to have been turned and things are now on an upward turn.

[Number Six]

[quote]name='Mr Sloane']

I do think the worst behaved now behave even worse than they did in my day QUOTE]



I have unfortunately had first hand experience of this, as a result of my step-son's behaviour at school and I would agree with that comment. If I had behaved the way he did when I was at secondary school (72-77) I would have been expelled - and quite rightly too.



Having spent many hours in 'discussions' with my step-son's school (and I must say here, their attitude was absolutely excellent in trying to sort him out), it certainly has something to do with the fact that teachers do, to a large extent, have their hands tied behind their backs when it comes to disciplining offenders today. It is surely no coincedence that the children at school today are themselves the children of the first generation of schoolchildren for whom corporal punishment was outlawed and having seen what I have with pupils at our local schools, I firmly believe that a lot of the problem stems from a lack of parental discipline.



Teachers are often the easy targets of criticism nowadays, but they do an almost impossible job, often with little or no thanks. And a lot of them are under-valued and under-paid. (IMO).

[penfold]

name='CaptainWaggett']I don't remember ever being caught out and where am I now?

Exactly. Maybe we should be bemoaning the younger generation's inability to avoid being caught....