BristolUK

I can think of one person I'd want to be rid of If I lived in the same place as him.

I remember seeing him on Jonathan Ross. An absolute twat.

DB7

Apparently he's issued a writ and the writer has complained that his original text was altered. There was an NME anniversary doc on the Beeb a couple of years ago and it does appear the editorial staff was half old-timers, and half new recruits, and the new intake wanted to go after Morrissey as he was the 'cover star'.

I think his problem is that he has a fascination with the 'kitchen sink' era and in a way he's trapped in time.

Mark O

Absolutely!........has anyone told Morrissey that people who had to live the 'Kitchen sink' lifestyle cooked practically everything in a Panful of Lard?.......I'm sure that would put him off his nostalgia trip!

Mark

samkydd

I think it's true in that many communities want to keep own identities, thus preserving the culture that they embrace. Some imported cultures have influenced younger generations from all backgrounds in fashions, music, language, food etc which is inevitable in an integrated society and is welcomed by many and goes way back to when we had all those pink bits on the world atlas.

My view of the indiginous Brit is a mixture of John Betjemen/Alan Bennett/Ian Anderson (from Jethro Tull) visions of the middle class, mock Tudor semi with monkey puzzle tree in the front garden, the pretentious Philistine who wouldn't put himself out for anybody, and is happy to collect trinkets of his worth for all the neighbourhood to see from the new car to the holiday in Tuscany. Or the stock working class stereotype (or monotype as they couldn't afford steroes) who knows 'is place and appears in black and white films from the 30s to the 70s, saying things like "Gor blimey guv'nor, you ought to nearly gimme an 'art attack and no mistake!"

In the 40 odd years I've survived so far I can't ever recall there being an English culture, we've always picked up bits and bobs from other nations and apart from Morris Dancing and Morris Minors I can't identify any day to day "thing" which is part of our culture!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

foha80

I have noticed that the terms British and English seem to be interchangeable with some people especially in the media,this is a very lazy habit.Even the title of this thread is inaccurate,United Kingdom,Great Britain two different terms.

Terry

Wolfgang

United Kingdom is surely abbreviation of United Kingdom of Great Britain, right? Is UK not formed from act of union between English and Scottish kingdoms (with Wales being principality of England)?

Marky B

It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The British Isles is the geographical term for ALL the islands,including the Republic of Eire.
Ta Ta
Marky B

I once shot an elephant in my pyjamas - how he got in my pyjamas,I'll never know

Wolfgang

But surely only Great Britain is 'united kingdom' since Ireland is not kingdom is it? Isn't Northern Ireland just province of United Kingdom, meaning Queen of England is its head of state and it is governed by UK parliament, but not constitutionally part of UK? So that means that someone from Northern Ireland holds UK citizenship but is not actually from UK? Are there any experts on Britmovie that can clear this up? Maybe Carmel can tell us?

foha80

'Brits leaving Britain in droves'- if anyone is leaving the UK in droves it would be the Brits & Irish.Britain is England,Wales & Scotland in no particular order of importance.

Terry

Steve Crook

Ireland was a kingdom way back in the dim and distant. There are many Kings of Ireland in history.

There are two different ways of looking at it, geographically and politically.

England and Scotland had existed as separate sovereign and independent states with their own monarchs and political structures since the 9th century. The once independent Principality of Wales fell under the control of English monarchs from the Statute of Rhuddlan in 1284.

Under the Acts of Union 1707, England (including Wales) and Scotland, which had been in personal union since the Union of the Crowns in 1603, agreed to a political union in the form of a unified Kingdom of Great Britain.

The Act of Union 1800 united the Kingdom of Great Britain with the Kingdom of Ireland, which had been gradually brought under English control between 1541 and 1691, to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

Independence for the Irish Free State in 1922 followed the partition of the island of Ireland two years previously, with six of the nine counties of the province of Ulster remaining within the UK, which then changed to the current name in 1927 of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.



The island of Ireland contains the Republic of Ireland (The Irish name Éire can refer to the Republic or the whole island) and the six counties of Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is made up of England, Scotland and Wales plus Northern Ireland.

The term "Britain" is widely used as a political synonym for the United Kingdom.

The British Isles are made up of Great Britain, plus Ireland plus all the other islands like the Isle of Man and the Channel Island (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark etc)


Confusing, isn't it?
And you're right. A lot of these terms are misused

Steve

Wolfgang

Thankyou Steve, it is very illuminating - I hope you didn't get that off Wikipedia though!

Cypher

I don't understand all of the political implications, but I am sure that MarkyB is exactly correct. My passport tells me that I am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, i.e. a UK citizen (or a British citizen), and I am sure this would be the same for someone from Northern Ireland. In this context there has been some discussion recently on one the TV news programmes about the Union Flag which embodies the flags of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but not Wales... and some of the Welsh apparently think it time that this was corrected!

Cypher

"Fetch me another anger therapist!"

Wolfgang

Yes he probably is. My misunderstanding was that I thought 'united kingdom' just referred to act of union between English and Scottish kingdoms, so I couldn't see how Northern ireland fitted into it. Your passport wording is ambigous - it could have meant United Kingdom of Great Britain along with Northern Ireland. I did not realize there had been two acts of union.

DB7

Given the estimated growth in the UK population clearly we need more to leave in droves! Then everywhere I walk the dog wont get turned into a housing estate.

Whoops Apocalypse 'cliff' scene fits the bill.

Wolfgang

I find this highly amusing. We often cannot decide which films are British, and now we cannot even decide which countries are British!