lordtednfs

I just showed that pic to my good lady and her reply was "That's Filipina Style". In other words too lazy to do. Hehehe. Very funny though.

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samkydd

I think discussing politics is quite healthy because some people on the forum based in other countries have this perception that everything in the English garden is rosy, when it clearly isn't! Depending on where you live or what newspaper you read it definitely appears to be more Mad Max these days than Genevieve!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

Steve Crook

I'm not sure I'd want to live in a Genevieve world, with people having silly arguments over road rallies. But as long as we have time to let people reminisce about happier times like with the old gent at the end then it wouldn't be too bad.

And I would certainly recommend not reading any newspapers, apart from maybe some local ones, so that you don't get a distorted image of what's going on and only see the bad things. There are plenty of nice people and beautiful things. They just don't get mentioned in the newspapers. The main object of all newspapers seems to be to keep everyone horrified and alarmed at the state of things - so that they'll keep buying newspapers to see how bad it's all getting. Break the cycle

Steve

Chris B

I basically agree with Steve, although I am aware that the British way of life and the values our fathers and grandfathers fought for are being constantly eroded by the people running this country now, it appears that most of the indiginous population who over the years have paid into the system are now treated like second class citizens, and it is easy to see how the British Nationalist Party or even The National Front are getting a foothold on the political scene. There would seem to be a bottom less pot of money for foreign aid and the repatriation programme whereby it was reported that people being sent back to there own land were given £1,000 plus a further £3,000 to help them start up in business in their own country and our own pensioners are means tested even if they have paid full contributions for 45 years of their working life. But as Steve said we still have a lot of nice people and some beautiful country side.
Regards Chris B

Steve Crook

I think the key to that might be where you say "it was reported".
By who? A newspaper? Which one? Do we trust newspapers?

Steve

samkydd

I think many people today lack moral fibre, and would rarther pass the buck than face up to their own responsibilities. What we need are more people with true grit and determination to battle against the odds and deliver something encouraging and worthwhile. But most of our leaders seem to be self-seeking and interlectually challenged and see themselves as preened and polished minor TV celebrities rather than serious statesmen, almost like Premier League football managers sitting on their silly car seats in the dugout trying to look enigmatic, their initials in five inch lettering on their anoraks as if we don't know who they are, or do they have to share coat hooks with the man who cleans the bogs? I remeber the good old days when blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

smiffy

I think that puts it in a nutshell Sam .Maybe the fact that we've been fed that much Journalistic Crap, the masses are beginning to believe it

I May be getting older ,but I refuse to grow up

Cypher

So if we accept, as probably most of us do, that the most accomplished liars are journalists, politicians, lawyers and TV newscasters, how on earth do we find out what is really happening in this country and overseas?

C.

"Fetch me another anger therapist!"

Steve Crook

Use the internet
Ask people you trust with a proven track record of trustworthiness.
That does include some journalists and "journalistic sources", but not many of them.
Don't believe and certainly don't repeat and pass on any "news" until you've confirmed it from at least one, preferably more, of those sources

Ask yourself how much news you really need of what's happening in this country and overseas

But certainly - stop buying and reading newspapers

Steve

samkydd

It's the editors you have to watch out for!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

Calman

Don't think I would ever be "existed" to return to the UK, although 5 years on (in Canada) ... I still miss some of the simple things from home, simply as I don't have access to them anymore.

Certain cultures & memories will never fade, but I would be insane to give everything up now, just to have that element available to me again.

Canada is now home, where Scotland will always be home.

"www.accessokanagan.com"

Moor Larkin

What a peculiar notion. There's enough ignorance on the streets without encouraging more.

Don't necessarily believe everything you read...... but..... that's hardly a new idea - wasn't that what Citizen Kane was in part, all about, back in the Thirties?

I recommend reading any 'paper you like that reports news rather than printing pictures of celebrities, then believing somewhere off-centre to what they say. It would be nice to buy two 'papers' (the Mail and the Guardian spring to mind) but it works epensive in money and time.

You can do a similar thing by watching either BBC1/ITV1 mainstream news programmes and then flicking over for Channel4 news. They are amazingly different sometimes, in emphasis particularly. People tend to want to only read or listen to the news media they agree with politically - that way they never hear anything contrary to their own opinion. It's also interesting to watch news programmes with the sound off - like football, the pictures often tell a different game-story to the one the commentator wants you to believe.

The main problem for all of us nowadays that it makes less and less difference what we know or believe anyhow. Our political classes take the view that their job is to tell us how to do things, when to do them and who to do them with. They have little interest in representing any of our interests that do not meet their own criteria. The Party System ensures that any maverick who chooses not to comply will have little or no say. It is often only through the vilified newspapers that outsiders retain a public voice; they may only create mischief around the edges but at least there remains an edge for the rest of us to cling onto.

samkydd

Well I'm much happier not reading newspapers or watching/hearing the news. It's just repetitive crap all day long the same stories over and over again. Assassination in Pakistan, did anyone not realise it would happen? Parkinson knighted a couple of weeks after his final show, was that unexpected then?

Local matters for local people is what counts, and all the corruption and nastiness the rest of the world has to offer will continue whether I know about it or not!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

christoph404

The trouble is that a lot of the corruption and nastiness in the rest of the world has a habit of reaching your local community, and so we have suicide bombers in Glasgow and London and a poor innocent being shot dead on the tube by armed police on his way to work and a plane full of people who thought they were flying a local trip from Boston to wherever ending up smashing into the twin towers. I think it might be worth knowing whats going on in the world because unfortunately there is now a chance that a normal person in even the smallest of local communities can be touched by it.

samkydd

Fortunately we have the Provisional Wing of the Neighbourhood Watch where we live, and anything untoward gets nipped in the bud very quickly; chavs, suicide bombers, burglars, double glazing salesmen! Which is the way communities dealt with such things hundreds of years ago.

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"