Steve Crook

Yes, even Bishops can say silly things. Note that he doesn't give any examples as to where this is supposed to be happening

Steve

Steve Crook

I'm of Welsh ancestry but born and raised in England.
But the last time I checked, Wales is still part of the United Kingdom.
If anything it's the English that are the foreigners in these isles

Steve

Moor Larkin

Radio 5 was vox-popping about this Bishop's comments. It was odd but the compere said she had a 'stack of texts' naming places where this went on..... but she was not going to name any of them.......

I suppose it's no different to the various tales we've heard over the years of the Catholics and Protestants "maintaining order" in communities in N. Ireland.

I remember walking around Brixton shortly after the 1981 riots. Many people said it was no-go area then, but all I found was a raucous shopping area. Of course it might have been different after the shops had closed.......

Harleybloke

I just think the World has gone mad! The current Australia v India cricket series.

An Indian player is alleged to have called Andrew Symonds, the mixed race Aussie player a 'Monkey'.

On 5 live this morning, they were asking people in Calcutta if that is a racist remark and they all said no.

........OK.......................hmm.............. .no, I'm staying right out of this one!

One man's meat...................................?????:confu sed:

.....You couldn't hear it, if they were shooting at me with howitzers!

Wolfgang

Obviously you do get white majority no-go areas (I would not be for leaving my car parked on Moss Side in Manchester) but these areas are mostly in minority, whereas most Muslim areas tend to be no-go areas for whites. You cannot really compare it to Northern Ireland because that is split politically so you have two ideologically opposed sides with territories. They blame it on Islamic extremism but nobody is strapping bombs to themselves - this is just standard Islam that is creating this dangerous subculture. There are just some beliefs and religions that are not compatible with democratic liberal values - after all you do not get no-go Jewish areas do you, so you have to ask yourself why it is mainly Muslims?

Steve Crook

Where are these "Muslim areas" that are no-go areas for whites?
There aren't any in the UK

Steve

smudge

I had a very similar situation many years ago when I was running an office in London. A West Indian youngster had a pop at a Kenyan lady on the team. When taken to task by me the response was, "How can I be racist Smudge -- I'm black ?"

Some people see things very differently from their own side of the fence...

Smudge

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smudge

Again 99% of these 'problems' (I detest the over-use of the word 'issues') and tensions are caused by perception. How are these perceptions engendered and re-inforced ? Yes, once again it's our good old friends in the cheap media, particularly the tabloids.

Because of these pre-conceived hand-me-down ideas there are lots of places where certain people won't go and thus they will never go and see for themselves. Hence these notions are bolstered by ignorance - and this works on both sides; it's far more effective than any Iron Curtain ever was.

The power of the human mind is incredible - trouble is most people never open theirs to find out how it really works....

Smudge

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Moor Larkin

Erm no. I think if that were true there would have been a war between Eire and Great Britain & Northern Ireland. The political territories had been defined back in the Thirties.

Moss Siders themselves found their city-centre Arndale Shopping Centre to be a No-Go Area for several years and it was nothing to do with muslims, who must have been looking on with something of the same bewilderment that is in the air nowadays.

The little I have educated myself about the subject recently, suggests that there is no such thing as standard Islam. They have obvious scisms of their own which are tearing them apart from one another. That is obvious on the News every night.

I would venture to say ALL, quite frankly. Any Church and host State should be entirely separate.

It's not so many years since British soldiers were being blown up in the Palestine Mandate territory.

I would guess that your 'average' British muslim is probably as baffled as you. It may make more sense to those used to the strange relationship between India and Pakistan.

The real danger of 'no-go' areas, if they exist, is not to non-muslims (who don't go there anyway) but to the poor devils who find their neighbourhood dominated by a tiny caucus of gangsters. We have seen the consequences in parts of Northern Ireland as well as Israel where walls have been erected to keep the communities separate. Let's hope for their sakes that Bish. is talking the nonsense most of the media is saying he is. BBC NEWS | Politics | Blears rejects 'no go' area claim

samkydd

One Protestant and the other Catholic, that's the politics!

Had NI been integrated with other races/cultures/religions in line with the rest of GB back in the 60s and 70s, then the fighting would have been cut short 30 years ago. They'd have been united in their hatred for the other sectors!

Religion is the cause of more suffering to humanity than anything else, and the best way forward is to ban it, at least in public. Worship who you like, but behind closed doors please!

cletus awreetus

Hear, hear

BristolUK

I posted earlier about the 6 murder enquiries following deaths on New Year's Eve in England.

I understand that on the same night in Bristol there was also a murder, two separate beatings (one of which happened just around the corner from where I once lived), landing the victims in hospital with life threatening injuries, six stabbings, four glassings and assault with a piece of wood to the face.

All from people out celebrating the new year. Nice huh?

Steve Crook

Sounds like it was a quiet night based on what I remember from my teenage years. What's your point?

Steve

BristolUK

You're not that daft. Blind, maybe, but not daft. You know pefectly well what the point is. You just don't agree.

Maybe there were fights galore when you were a kid. From my teens to when I was 30 in 1987 I was on the town every Friday and Saturday night visiting pub after pub and then walking back through town and home with no trouble to be seen. Maybe it all kicked off when I was home, but worse stuff happens in the afternoon now than happened in the evenings in my younger day.

samkydd

I think that the police should be allowed to shoot people who are responsible for such violence. A few dead drunken thugs would be no loss to any society. Glassing someone is treated by the Magistrates as a plain old assault, when in reality it's attempted murder!

We have enough appropriate laws on the statute books, I just wish the authorities would use some of them!

The Road Taffic Act states that you are not allowed to have video screens ie. televisions, in the front of a vehicle. Why are people allowed to use satellite navigation equipment in their cars and not concentrating on driving, they're looking at a bloody screen and causing accidents!