Brits Leaving UK In Droves.

[marker]

Originally Posted by batman Bats .

but which one is worse Livingstone or Boris

[batman]

Bats.

[marker]

Originally Posted by batman Bats.

I cant see any droppings on kens hair or shirt

[batman]

Bats.

[Aaryk Noctivagus]

Originally Posted by marker but which one is worse Livingstone or Boris

Well I know which one is more entertaining

I hope Boris loses and becomes the permanent host of 'Have I Got News For You'... I've always maintained he should be in entertainment rather than politics.

[BristolUK]

Originally Posted by Fareham_Bee I am fed up with the selfish, arrogant, me first post Thatcher society we have become.

Those are good reasons to go, but they weren't mine. I met a Canadian, fell in love, married and moved over.

I have discussions with a mate back in Bristol and he often speaks of crime being down and says the country isn't really going to the dogs. It's just so hard to agree. We both worked for a government department (he still does) that manipulates statistics masking the truth. So we know that crime stats could be meaningless.

Almost daily I read reports of sickening and crazy things happening in Bristol and the rest of England and they seem to be happening at a level that didn't exist three years ago when I left.

The local paper for Bristol may be a tad sensationalist, but my source for the rest of England is The Guardian. Hardly a rabble rousing organ. But even if the reports were headline grabbing, the incidents have to exist in the first place don't they?

As for health care, Canada has Medicare which seems to be virtually on a par with the NHS. Prescriptions are much more expensive, but the cost of living is so much less it needn't matter.

Toronto has its problems; other cities too. But many places don't. I go to the local stores and people are still leaving their keys in the ignition with windows open.

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook As confirmed by Renton, Spud, Sick Boy, Begbie etc. Steve

Absolutley, the drugs are cheaper too............every area of society has its dark side I suppose.....

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Aaryk Noctivagus Well I know which one is more entertaining I hope Boris loses and becomes the permanent host of 'Have I Got News For You'... I've always maintained he should be in entertainment rather than politics.

......I think there is a very fine line between politics and the entertainment industry,big personalities seem to make an impact in both fields, I mean a politician is often, funny, stupid, smarmy, sarcastic, melodramatic, insincere, dishonest, poetic, outspken, tactless, et etc, not unlike many of their brethern in the entertainment industry which is why many make the transition from one to the other fairly smoothly, indeed many politicains are unitentionally entertaining but often for the wrong reasons....!!

PS. Im going to vote for Boris, he may be seen as a buffoon but anything is better than Ken.

[DB7]

Originally Posted by BristolUK The local paper for Bristol may be a tad sensationalist, but my source for the rest of England is The Guardian. Hardly a rabble rousing organ. But even if the reports were headline grabbing, the incidents have to exist in the first place don't they? .

What would these events be this year? I can recall a few but a kidnapping in Portugal seems to have gained more exposure than most.

[Marky B]

A few years ago whilst on holiday in Canada,I was convincing myself to emigrate and start a new life out there. However,the costs involved prohibited that,and in reflection I am glad I didn't. I still harbour to go back to Canada and the USA,but my home,my family and my friends are here.
Britain has its problems - problems which in the hands of inspired leadership would disappear. However,as that inspired leadership isn't as yet on the political frontline,we will have to endure for a while longer.
I did the Coast to Coast Walk for the third time this year,192 miles across the Lake District,the Yorkshire Dales,the Cleveland Hills,the North York Moors and when musing over my celebration beer in Robin Hood's Bay,looking out to the blue North Sea,I still come to the same conclusion as I did the first two times I did the walk:it might a tiny island,but you can't beat it. As I write this,I am inspired by the music of Ralph Vaughn Williams.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by BristolUK The local paper for Bristol may be a tad sensationalist, but my source for the rest of England is The Guardian. Hardly a rabble rousing organ. But even if the reports were headline grabbing, the incidents have to exist in the first place don't they?

The Guardian? That's the worst rabble rouser of the lot
And no, the incidents don't have to exist for British journalists to make up a story

Steve

[Wolfgang]

What you need is selective sterilisation programme: anyone who goes to prison twice; anyone who spends more than five years claiming benefits; heroin addicts; people with subnormal intelligence and mental illness. I think this would address most of Great Britain's problems. I know this sounds harsh and uncivilised but Britain and to some extent Europe's socialism is interfering too much with nature's 'pruning'. By helping less desirable elements of our gene pool to survive we are allowing them to propagate and drag down society.

[Fareham_Bee]

Originally Posted by BristolUK Those are good reasons to go, but they weren't mine. I met a Canadian, fell in love, married and moved over. I have discussions with a mate back in Bristol and he often speaks of crime being down and says the country isn't really going to the dogs. It's just so hard to agree. We both worked for a government department (he still does) that manipulates statistics masking the truth. So we know that crime stats could be meaningless. Almost daily I read reports of sickening and crazy things happening in Bristol and the rest of England and they seem to be happening at a level that didn't exist three years ago when I left. The local paper for Bristol may be a tad sensationalist, but my source for the rest of England is The Guardian. Hardly a rabble rousing organ. But even if the reports were headline grabbing, the incidents have to exist in the first place don't they? As for health care, Canada has Medicare which seems to be virtually on a par with the NHS. Prescriptions are much more expensive, but the cost of living is so much less it needn't matter. Toronto has its problems; other cities too. But many places don't. I go to the local stores and people are still leaving their keys in the ignition with windows open.

Good on you Bristol.

The crime thing really has me beat too. I'm not a Daily Mail type reader so certainly don't react to their sensationist stuff, but when you see and hear of kids being beaten to a pulp just because they were in the wrong place walking past the wrong gang, "dissing them" etc it makes you wonder. When you see someone else has been shot or killed, Damilola Taylor, the lad in Liverpool, etc needlessly, even when you won't flash some berk hogging the middle lane because the ignorant one is liable to get angry and do something to endanger you and everyone else round you, when your neighbour won't go up the shop because the local kids give her abuse and threaten and the police can't do anything because no crime has been commited it makes you wonder how they get these figures that crime is falling. It does seem a more dangerous place, a more violent and crime ridden place. Fact is, it doesn't matter what the truth is, it is what things APPEAR to be that matters.

And Steve, I can completely agree with your sentiments about things not having to happen. I know of a journalist who sat with other jounos in a hotel bar after an England match, concocting a story about how the thugs had marred the name of England abroad again, smashed up locals and caused mayhem, when the city itself was quiet. They needed a good story to justify their jollies abroad and it would at least guarantee the next England away match hoolie watch!

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by Wolfgang What you need is selective sterilisation programme: anyone who goes to prison twice; anyone who spends more than five years claiming benefits; heroin addicts; people with subnormal intelligence and mental illness. I think this would address most of Great Britain's problems. I know this sounds harsh and uncivilised but Britain and to some extent Europe's socialism is interfering too much with nature's 'pruning'. By helping less desirable elements of our gene pool to survive we are allowing them to propagate and drag down society.

Can we add politicians, lawyers and journalists to the list?
Oh, and anyone who suggests such Malthusian or genocidal measures

Steve

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Fareham_Bee It does seem a more dangerous place, a more violent and crime ridden place. Fact is, it doesn't matter what the truth is, it is what things APPEAR to be that matters.

"Appears!" It's amazing the power of the media in this country, we go to war looking for non-existant WMD's - and I've locked out all visitors because a bird flu pandemic is iminent... that's if SARS doesn't get me first!


The Beebs Power of Nightmares was so true.