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Old 13-02-2008, 05:52 PM
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Too far. I know a very nice Chinese-Canadian lady photographer & film-maker from Vancouver

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She sounds very attractive! what are you waiting for? how long is the flight?.....

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That is really interesting to read. I agree completley, and so did many of my generation. When a new album of his was released (and of course, in those days, it was albums!) there were always a few who spread the word.

He was respected and always had a following, but never quite "took off". During his early years, James Taylor had "cornered the market" on that type of music - only of course Taylor was much more accessible and sounded better on the radio. Then the late Dan Fogelberg came along. I think that, maybe, Wainwright's songs are too intelligent and complex. "A Father and a Son" is so much better than comparable songs - but it did not receive "airplay".

A theatrical version of his songs is a good idea. They are so varied in theme, but the quality and vision are very consistent. But I don't know if the audience would be dancing in the aisles, the way they do to "Take a Chance on Me"...
The problem with "folk music" is that it's all lumped in under the one heading and so you get contemporary singer songwriters like Loudon Wainwright III, Michele Shocked, Richard Thompson, 10,000 Maniacs, Ry Cooder, Arlo Guthrie etc sharing the same album compartments in record stores as The Dubliners, The Albion Band, The Yetties, Fairport Convention, Steeleye Span etc and the music is entirely different.

In the UK "folk" has this image of straggly bearded, semi-balding long haired, real ale swilling, round lensed bespectacled, green corduroy baggy trouser, leather waistcoat over a collarless grandad shirt wearing, Jesus sandalled, wholemeal bread eating, rollup cigarette smoking prig called Nigel with his long time partner Verity, who wears huge ankle-length skirts made out of old curtains, a cheesecloth blouse and African bead necklace, massive frizzy hair like a gonk, bare feet that look like they've been carved out of sandstone, and is at one with Mother Earth as they drive very slowly to Summer festivals in a hand-painted orange VW camper van bedecked with patchwork quilt seat covers, jos stick holders, "No Nukes" and "I've Been To Stonehenge" stickers in the back window, and a sack of lentils on the roof rack!

This has had a detrimental effect on folk music over the years, and younger people tended to avoid folk clubs in case they turned into old farts overnight, walking around with a finger in the ear wailing "There was a maid in Maidenhead, who wattled a wimple from woad....".

The Cambridge Folk Festival is still popular, mainly because it became very trendy a few years ago! It's become one of those places that young trendy people have to include on their list of annual events to tick off as having attended, dressing up like folkies complete with beer tankard hanging from their belts, a penny whistle in the shirt pocket and a leather cowboy hat!

So it's not surprising that Loudon Wainwright III was somewhat overlooked as he is difficult to put a label on, his musical style covers a multitude of forms from acoustic ballad through to piano thumping swing. The crusty folkies often preferred traditional rural rythms to anything later than say, 1775!

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Too far. I know a very nice Chinese-Canadian lady photographer & film-maker from Vancouver

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She sounds very attractive! what are you waiting for? how long is the flight?.....


That's not her, neither is it hers.
And don't worry, the baby isn't really eating a valuable studio still. It's carefully and cleverly faked as an example of Katie's clever work

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Who said "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".
I remember Howard(of Howard & Hylda,ever decreasing circles)saying it once
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A wonderful couple, a wonderful series

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I loved the scene in the last episode of EDC when Briers was getting all emotional and Howard just said something like "Well goodbye, life moves on". Priceless.

Daddy .... the frisbee has gone in the water .... what a finger puppet drama queen I am!
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Who said "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".
Well, actually - it was ME.

But I think Voltaire got there first.
Voltaire, the pen-name of François-Marie Arouet.
He is incorrectly credited with the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These were not his words but instead were written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre), in her 1906 biographical book The Friends of Voltaire. Hall intended to summarize in her own words Voltaire's attitude towards Claude Adrien Helvétius and his controversial book De l'esprit, but her first-person expression was mistaken for an actual quotation from Voltaire. Her interpretation does capture the spirit of Voltaire' attitude towards Helvétius.

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I always felt they had a wonderful sex life.

I remember Hilda mentioning her 'pollywoddledodah all day' room. When Martin asked what her and Howard did in there, she just looked at him with that glint in her eye.

For EDC fans it was equivalent to Lauren Bacall's, "you know how to whistle don't ya?"

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Voltaire, the pen-name of François-Marie Arouet.
He is incorrectly credited with the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These were not his words but instead were written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre), in her 1906 biographical book The Friends of Voltaire. Hall intended to summarize in her own words Voltaire's attitude towards Claude Adrien Helvétius and his controversial book De l'esprit, but her first-person expression was mistaken for an actual quotation from Voltaire. Her interpretation does capture the spirit of Voltaire' attitude towards Helvétius.

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Smarty pants.

Still, he WOULD have said it if he had thought of it. I'm certain of it - clever fellow that he was.

In fact, I'll bet he did say it at one of those salons he was always frequenting. But S.G. Tallentyre gave him some help, apparently (whoever the heck she was) .

Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; and in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
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Tim, have you discovered Richard Thompson?? His career has followed a similar path, with critical acclaim but not huge commercial success, and also with the added bonuses of talented spouses and sprogs...as with LWIII.... I would put his songwriting and guitar work on a par with anyone on the planet.
As an aside, a local listings magazine had a gig down last year as being by The Loudon Wainwright Three.....
Thanks; I had not heard of him. I found several selections from "Shoot Out the Lights" on the internet - similar style and tone to Wainwright, but sounds a bit tougher and edgier.

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Thanks; I had not heard of him. I found several selections from "Shoot Out the Lights" on the internet - similar style and tone to Wainwright, but sounds a bit tougher and edgier.
That's a fair assessment. This is from his latest album Sweet Warrior (Highly recommended), and demonstrates the rockier end of his spectrum....
YouTube - Richard Thompson - Dad's Gonna Kill Me

While this is an older song, demonstrates his folkier aspects.... YouTube - Richard Thompson - 1952 Vincent Black Lightning but both fine original songs. IMHO still one of the best live acts around....not bad after a 40+ year career. Lots more on Youtube....

Bit of a Bay Window, what??
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It was an exciting thread last week............bah! Humbug!

.....You couldn't hear it, if they were shooting at me with howitzers!
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LIsten to 1952 Vincent Black Lightning then....best Motorbike song ever written...

Bit of a Bay Window, what??
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LIsten to 1952 Vincent Black Lightning then....best Motorbike song ever written...
know where I can track it down Pen?

Best biking song? Born to be Wild - Steppenwolf!

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Best biking song? Born to be Wild - Steppenwolf!
YouTube - Richard Thompson - 1952 Vincent Black Lightning ...it was in a previous post

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