Brits Leaving UK In Droves.

[Harleybloke]

Ta Pen!

Added it to my Napster collection as well!

Always fancied a Brough Superior and a Harley-Davidson WLA Military '42 vintage sidevalve................

and any decent Indian, Kawasaki KH500 or KH750, Yamaha RD350, Norton Commando....................Triumph - oh what the heck, plenty of bikes I'd love!!

Suzuki GSX600, GT380...............yum, yum.............

[penfold]

You can barely find a bog-standard Brough for less than £20k now, going up to £60-80K for a SS100 or similar with a pedigree. I was a Sunbeam man myself...I miss my 1930 Twin-port Model 9.

[Marky B]

I heard this on the Jeremy Vine Show today on BBC Radio 2.
A man is driving along and realises his mobile telephone was still in his trouser pocket,so after a bit of fumbling,he gets the telephone out and places it on the dashboard. The mobile was switched OFF,but that didn't stop a police officer pulling him up. The man offered the policeman to check his mobile,to prove it had not been used,but nonetheless the process began in which the man had to hand over his driver's licence (which he needed,as he was eventually flying out to Canada for a job interview - he was a lorry driver) and eventually went to court,where upon the advice of a "friend",he pleaded guilty to using a telephone whilst driving.
He is still in the process of emigrating to Canada,but if this so called "criminal record" is still against him,he may have to go to the High Court to have the case looked into.

I am all for the ban of using mobiles whilst driving - that is,speaking into them or texting (in fact,I gave a driver a frosty look today for talking into his mobile at a junction,not indicating where he was going),but this is really going too far.

BTW,Steve. The man was live on the show,it didn't come from the Daily Mail.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by Marky B I heard this on the Jeremy Vine Show today on BBC Radio 2. A man is driving along and realises his mobile telephone was still in his trouser pocket,so after a bit of fumbling,he gets the telephone out and places it on the dashboard. The mobile was switched OFF,but that didn't stop a police officer pulling him up. The man offered the policeman to check his mobile,to prove it had not been used,but nonetheless the process began in which the man had to hand over his driver's licence (which he needed,as he was eventually flying out to Canada for a job interview - he was a lorry driver) and eventually went to court,where upon the advice of a "friend",he pleaded guilty to using a telephone whilst driving. He is still in the process of emigrating to Canada,but if this so called "criminal record" is still against him,he may have to go to the High Court to have the case looked into. I am all for the ban of using mobiles whilst driving - that is,speaking into them or texting (in fact,I gave a driver a frosty look today for talking into his mobile at a junction,not indicating where he was going),but this is really going too far. BTW,Steve. The man was live on the show,it didn't come from the Daily Mail. Ta Ta Marky B

But he still got rubbish advice. A quick check of the phone companies records would show that the phone wasn't switched on at the time and would have got it thrown out of court. Or rather not even taken to court. And why did he even need to get it out of his pocket and put it on the dash while a policeman was watching? It's difficult to legislate against idiots.

Steve

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Marky B I heard this on the Jeremy Vine Show today on BBC Radio 2. A man is driving along and realises his mobile telephone was still in his trouser pocket,so after a bit of fumbling,he gets the telephone out and places it on the dashboard. The mobile was switched OFF,but that didn't stop a police officer pulling him up. The man offered the policeman to check his mobile,to prove it had not been used,but nonetheless the process began in which the man had to hand over his driver's licence (which he needed,as he was eventually flying out to Canada for a job interview - he was a lorry driver) and eventually went to court,where upon the advice of a "friend",he pleaded guilty to using a telephone whilst driving. He is still in the process of emigrating to Canada,but if this so called "criminal record" is still against him,he may have to go to the High Court to have the case looked into. I am all for the ban of using mobiles whilst driving - that is,speaking into them or texting (in fact,I gave a driver a frosty look today for talking into his mobile at a junction,not indicating where he was going),but this is really going too far. BTW,Steve. The man was live on the show,it didn't come from the Daily Mail. Ta Ta Marky B

Why plead guilty when you know you are innocent of the offence? Was his friend a lawyer? Probably not. Also you don't have to surrender your driving licence to the Police at the roadside nor do you have to have it with you while driving. If your licence is to be endorsed that is done if you plead guilty or are found guilty by the courts in which case you will be without your licence for a few weeks while the points are added to the paper section ( I think its 3 points for talking on a mobile while driving and a £60 fine if you plead guilty) Sounds a bit odd to me, he would have been better to fight the charge and call the police officer in question to court to give evidence and make the CPS work to prove their prosecution case because as we all know we are all innocent until proven guilty! Often people accept dubious speeding tickets and things like this mobile phone incident because they are afraid of the courts and would rather pay the fixed penalty of £60 rather than go to trial and still be found guilty in which case the fine will be larger, possibly £200 to £300. If you are going to plead guilty then don't bleat on about it later on a radio show, if you are innocent as charged then say so in court and fight it, no one is forcing this chap to plead guilty to something he didn't do, if a clean licence is that important one would think he would fight it.

[David Brent]

If you are male and have decided to leave the UK, then it might be wise to keep away from moving to Italy.

An Italian medical research team has found that millions of women do NOT have a G-Spot. (Gee, some people have got great jobs!)

For years many men have searched, and failed, to find the fabled spot that legend says when stimulated can bring mind blowing orgasms to women.

The study found that although women without a G-spot would not have such intense orgasms they could still be stimulated by their partners in other areas.

Sounds like too much hard work to me.
(Only joking!)

Dave.

[Marky B]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook But he still got rubbish advice. A quick check of the phone companies records would show that the phone wasn't switched on at the time and would have got it thrown out of court. Or rather not even taken to court. And why did he even need to get it out of his pocket and put it on the dash while a policeman was watching? It's difficult to legislate against idiots. Steve

Maybe the phone was giving him some discomfort in his pocket,and as for doing it in front of a policeman,maybe he thought it was okay as it wasn't switched on and he had no plans to use it.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[ShirlGirl]

Originally Posted by Marky B Maybe the phone was giving him some discomfort in his pocket,and as for doing it in front of a policeman,maybe he thought it was okay as it wasn't switched on and he had no plans to use it. Ta Ta Marky B

But did he realise the police officer was there?

Why would the officer pull him over if he hadn't actually had the phone to his ear?
I don't think the full story is being told here. It doesn't add up.

[ShirlGirl]

Originally Posted by christoph404 Why plead guilty when you know you are innocent of the offence? Was his friend a lawyer? Probably not. Also you don't have to surrender your driving licence to the Police at the roadside nor do you have to have it with you while driving.

In Oz it is an offence not to have your licence with you while driving.

[Marky B]

Originally Posted by ShirlGirl But did he realise the police officer was there? Why would the officer pull him over if he hadn't actually had the phone to his ear? I don't think the full story is being told here. It doesn't add up.

He is perhaps one of these policeman who went to the same police academy as Chief Wiggum (The Simpsons),who would ignore a major crime going on and pick on the most slightest felon - or non-felon - to get in the sergeant's good books.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by ShirlGirl In Oz it is an offence not to have your licence with you while driving.

I think it is the same in the US and most of Europe, i.e. you are required to have your licence with you while driving, in the UK there is no legal requirement to have it with you but you can be made to produce it for inspection at a your local police station at a later date if you are stopped at the roadside by police, if you fail to produce it within a certain time scale then you will face prosecution.

[ShirlGirl]

Originally Posted by christoph404 I think it is the same in the US and most of Europe, i.e. you are required to have your licence with you while driving, in the UK there is no legal requirement to have it with you but you can be made to produce it for inspection at a your local police station at a later date if you are stopped at the roadside by police, if you fail to produce it within a certain time scale then you will face prosecution.

That's a puzzlement! If you are stopped by the police, how else can you identify yourself? And how can the police prosecute you for not showing up to produce your licence at a later date if you haven't proved who you are in the first place? You could have given a false name.......?

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by ShirlGirl That's a puzzlement! If you are stopped by the police, how else can you identify yourself? And how can the police prosecute you for not showing up to produce your licence at a later date if you haven't proved who you are in the first place? You could have given a false name.......?

If you don't have your driving licence with you then you must give satisfactory proof of your identity and address, if you cannot satisfy the police as to your identity and whether you are entitled to be driving your vehicle, you will be arrested and taken to the police station and held there until your true identity is confirmed. Details of ownership of a vehicle (via the number plate and chassis number)and the owners address, who is insured to drive the car and whether it is taxed or MOT'd are held on a central computer these days which the police can check at the roadside via their radio so its not that easy to simply give false information to the police, you will get rumbled pretty quickly and find yourself in jail! If you give a fictitious name and address that doesn't match the computer records you are asking for trouble! If they are satisfied with your name and address, you are given a summons to visit your local police station with your driving licence, failure to do so will result in criminal proceedings and a knock on your door, yes you could move house and do a runner but then you would be living with a warrant on your name like a fugitive! The law would catch up with you eventually!

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by ShirlGirl That's a puzzlement! If you are stopped by the police, how else can you identify yourself? And how can the police prosecute you for not showing up to produce your licence at a later date if you haven't proved who you are in the first place? You could have given a false name.......?

Especially as we still don't have any compulsory ID cards or anything else that carries a photo. Even if we do happen to have our driving licence with us, the older ones (like mine) don't have a photo on them

Steve

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Especially as we still don't have any compulsory ID cards or anything else that carries a photo. Even if we do happen to have our driving licence with us, the older ones (like mine) don't have a photo on them Steve

Most European countries have ID cards which can be used in place of a passport to cross borders within the EU, for some reason Britain has resisted the notion of ID cards and there is always a big fuss about it when someone suggests it could be a good idea, I guess if you have no passport and no ID card you are fairly untraceable and anonymous within the UK if you want to be and I think many people like to defend that right, I've never understood it myself, I think ID cards are a pretty good idea, but I guess not such a good idea if you are living outside the law and are involved in dodgy dealings such as fraud, car theft etc etc.