Brits Leaving UK In Droves.

[Frank63]

A number of years ago a friend of mine parked outside ARGOS, went across the road to the bank, drew out some cash then went into ARGOS to make her purchase, came out and found she'd been clamped as the clampers had watched her leave her car and the leave the car park. She showed them her receipt , no joy. She went into see the manager of ARGOS, no joy. She phoned the police , no joy, they said as it was private property they had no jurisdiction. IF she'd had taken her jack handle and started to smash the clampers car windows until they remove the clamp would the police have had some jurisdiction then ?.

I've always wondered.

[samkydd]

Originally Posted by Frank63 A number of years ago a friend of mine parked outside ARGOS, went across the road to the bank, drew out some cash then went into ARGOS to make her purchase, came out and found she'd been clamped as the clampers had watched her leave her car and the leave the car park. She showed them her receipt , no joy. She went into see the manager of ARGOS, no joy. She phoned the police , no joy, they said as it was private property they had no jurisdiction. IF she'd had taken her jack handle and started to smash the clampers car windows until they remove the clamp would the police have had some jurisdiction then ?. I've always wondered.

I parked in front of a boarded up shop in its former parking bays and was clamped. Silly me, I'd failed to spot the warning notice positioned 18 feet above me on the wall.

In France they tried to introduce the wheel clamp but there was such protest and outrage from motorists that the government banned them altogether! This is a government that is on the same side as their people, quite an unusual concept and one we find hard to grasp in the UK where we live in a democracy by name and a dictatorship by deed!

[davidb]

Originally Posted by samkydd I parked in front of a boarded up shop in its former parking bays and was clamped. Silly me, I'd failed to spot the warning notice positioned 18 feet above me on the wall. In France they tried to introduce the wheel clamp but there was such protest and outrage from motorists that the government banned them altogether! This is a government that is on the same side as their people, quite an unusual concept and one we find hard to grasp in the UK!

a government that looks after the interest of its people ?,dont believe you there cant be such a thing

[samkydd]

Originally Posted by davidb a government that looks after the interest of its people ?,dont believe you there cant be such a thing

It took a revolution to make it possible, something we've been long overdue for here! Mind you if they introduced Madame Guillotine in the UK Brown would find a way of taxing its use (but free of charge for government ministers and celebs of course).

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by samkydd This is a government that is on the same side as their people, quite an unusual concept and one we find hard to grasp in the UK where we live in a democracy by name and a dictatorship by deed!

Is that another sneaky attempt to blame everything on the Labour government?
Check who was in power when parking offences were decriminalised

Steve

[Mark O]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Is that another sneaky attempt to blame everything on the Labour government? Check who was in power when parking offences were decriminalised Steve

Absolutely Steve, it may sound a trivial thing, but for me Maggie went too far when she wanted to introduce charges for the borrowing of Library books, we already pay for that through our Rates/Council tax, it's the things like that (and VAT on Domestic fuel, and that wasn't in the Election manifesto) that hit ordinary working people on ordinary wages such as myself, and I'm sure many others here right in the pocket that turn people against Governments.........no wonder the Tory's lost in 97

[samkydd]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Is that another sneaky attempt to blame everything on the Labour government? Check who was in power when parking offences were decriminalised Steve

Nothing to do with party politics but with government! In my lifetime I can't recall one government in the UK that has had any interest in the well-being of its people! So that's been under Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown!

[davidb]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Is that another sneaky attempt to blame everything on the Labour government? Check who was in power when parking offences were decriminalised Steve

exactly ! all political parties have had a hand in screwing various things up ,usually as with parking offences with money as the main objective

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook Urban myth If you drive off they'll just mail the penalty notice to you Steve

Its no urban myth, under present rules a parking ticket is only valid if it is attatched to the vehicle or handed to the driver, that rule is about to change though, as of 31st March this year so only a few more weeks to be able to speed off before being given a ticket! There is an interesting article at esnews.co.uk titled "Big Brother Replaces Traffic Wardens" and outlines an overhaul of powers for traffic wardens which includes being able to issue tickets legally through the post even though motorists have driven off before receiving them and the increasing use of cameras and CCTV to catch out motorists and issue them with parking tickets. There is a similar article on "Times Online"
In London W1 the wardens are already equipped with digital cameras and have been for some time, as a matter of course they take a couple of pics of each ticket they issue to a vehicle, a close up and a long shot including the number plate, that is evidence that the ticket has been issued and can be enforced. If you do drive off before being issued a ticket what could happen is that a dishonest warden could claim that he issued the ticket and you will receive the reminder to pay without the discount as if you had received the original ticket but that is illegal and could be challenged in court. Don't try it after the 31st March though!

[Mark O]

Originally Posted by christoph404 In London W1 the wardens are already equipped with digital cameras and have been for some time, as a matter of course they take a couple of pics of each ticket they issue to a vehicle, a close up and a long shot including the number plate, that is evidence

Same in the Essex towns of Brentwood and Billericay also, I've seen the Wardens clicking away many a time doing my Job!

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by christoph404 There is an interesting article at esnews.co.uk

That's a scary site, who's behind it? They seem to specialise in trying to terrify people. Looking up the domain name, all I get is "The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service."

Steve

[christoph404]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook That's a scary site, who's behind it? They seem to specialise in trying to terrify people. Looking up the domain name, all I get is "The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service." Steve

No idea who's behind it, I thought the advice on safe driving was quite eye popping in conjunction with stats on accidents caused by fatigue and blabbing on a mobile while at the wheel etc, very scary indeed! I guess a news site that deals with crime and accidents and the increased powers of the law etc is a bit full on but it seems reasonably impartial but I would agree all those facts and stories lumped together makes the world seem a bit of an alarming place!

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by christoph404 I thought the advice on safe driving was quite eye popping in conjunction with stats on accidents caused by fatigue and blabbing on a mobile while at the wheel etc, very scary indeed! I guess a news site that deals with crime and accidents and the increased powers of the law etc is a bit full on but it seems reasonably impartial but I would agree all those facts and stories lumped together makes the world seem a bit of an alarming place!

It didn't look that impartial to me. It looked to be very slanted. Why should someone choose to set up a site like that that only shows the bad news, and do they show that bad news accurately or is it exaggerated? Why do they hide their identity? I didn't hang around long enough to find out and I won't be going back.

Steve

[JamesM]

I'm not too sure about its impartiality (eg. a doorway intruder in one article is turned into a "burglar" despite any evidence of trying steal anything and a "thug" without any use of or threat of violence).

At least it will be free of the speed camera moaning stories (I hope).

[zandycap]

Originally Posted by samkydd In France they tried to introduce the wheel clamp but there was such protest and outrage from motorists that the government banned them altogether! This is a government that is on the same side as their people, quite an unusual concept and one we find hard to grasp in the UK where we live in a democracy by name and a dictatorship by deed!

There has never been a true democracy in Britain. Its all a fallacy. Even the so called democratic vote has never " been between a man and the ballot box" Those so called secret voting slips are all numbered individually, thats why you are asked your name and ticked off as you go in. Not to stop multiple voting as people think, but to make sure you are given your correct individually numbered voting slip. After the vote the ballot boxes are then taken to a venue and kept for many years. Where anyone who needs to can see how you voted. It wouldn't surprise me one iota to find out that certain government agencies keep a record of how we all voted.