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Old 25-09-2007, 07:16 PM
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I've no idea about the 'chippy'. If you must talk of crime please get your facts right; the person on a bike was not the victim but the suspect, and the poor kid murdered was caught in the crossfire and not the intended target.
The kid killed in the Chippy was Liverpool.

If I must talk of crime??????? I have to justify myself do I? Who made you the boss?

You are no more in possession of facts than I am.

Ah...so he may or may not have been the intended target. Like the girl in Birmingham. And the kid in Liverpool.
Oh, that's all right then. What a relief.

And Stephen Lawrence and Damilola Taylor? Not the intended victims?

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.....a restless and resentfull underclass is being formed and getting larger each year with very little prospect of them clawing their way out their situation.It creates a divide and a them and us attitude which is apparent in this debate........ Are people in general becoming more selfish, greedy and uncaring? I don't know but while I agree each decade has its fair share of crime and so on I do believe a sense of hoplesness or point of no return is creeping into the phsyche of our society.
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Old 25-09-2007, 07:25 PM
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The kid If I must talk of crime??????? I have to justify myself do I? Who made you the boss?

You are no more in possession of facts than I am.

If the country has gone to the dogs then Brown will be booted out of office as other PM's have been. We'll all get to vote soon enough and it'll be the judgement of the people.
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If the country has gone to the dogs then Brown will be booted out of office as other PM's have been. We'll all get to vote soon enough and it'll be the judgement of the people.
I suppose that will happen. But it won't change anything. We all thought there'd be a big change when Labour replaced the Tories. But we got a watered down version instead.
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I don't know but while I agree each decade has its fair share of crime and so on I do believe a sense of hoplesness or point of no return is creeping into the phsyche of our society.
"Let us not then speak ill of our generation, it is not any unhappier than its predecessors. (Pause.) Let us not speak well of it either. (Pause.) Let us not speak of it at all."

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a reduction in that gap between rich and poor,it would make sense to me but I cannot see that happening in the UK. Are people in general becoming more selfish, greedy and uncaring?

The recent statistics on the growth of millonaires and £1m housing is perhaps evidence of the growing poverty gap (widest in, yes Liverpool). Imho if Brown doesn't turn his attention to regeneration and employment in these areas I can see inner-city riots returning similar to those of the early 80s.
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But is slight economic prosperity really worth over-population, no-go ghettoes, and soaring crime rates?
They wouldn't be if any of those things happened
If ...

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That's interesting and I'm glad you're happy. But be honest....did you think you were lucky the car or radio was still there? Bet you did. That's, perhaps, the difference.

You mean the little black buttons? That you only know are sticking up when you've seen the down position they are in when locked so as to make comparison? (because it's your own car and you know it)
I have mistaken whether they were up or down many a time in an unknown car.


That's not something you'd generally notice, though, simply walking past a car. You'd have to specifically look there or have some reason to look.

There's a big difference between that and one's attention being drawn to a parked car because the window is open - and then seeing the keys just dangling there because something made you look.
Sorry, I didn't leave the windows open - it looked like rain

In my car (a VW Golf) it is very obvious when the buttons are up.

No, I didn't think I was lucky and I wasn't at all surprised it was untouched. It's not the first time I've left it unlocked. We don't get much crime in London
Or certainly not in my part of it

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I wouldn't expect it to get reported.

I could retell a story that happened to a friend of mine. A beggar asked for some cash. She gave him some money and walked away dropping a £2 coin without noticing. He picked it up, went after her and returned it.

But that's not the usual story is it. Far more common is buying the Big Issue from a seller when they have only one left. And they tell you it's the only one they have left (or they don't have change from a fiver) and they're still a bit short of money for a bed for the night (and that's not true where there are shelters anyway) and can they keep it to sell again later.....and then you notice they don't have Big Issue ID and they're conning you.
Well you should always check they have an ID displayed. That's what the Big Issue tells you to do.

I buy the Big Issue regularly and I always find the sellers to be very friendly and helpful

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Why do you think that? How many "years ago" are you talking about?

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Errm, look at the word under his name

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You mean when there were race riots like the Notting Hill riots?
Things have improved a lot since then.

They're not perfect, but they've improved a lot. The 1976 Race Relations Act helped a lot.

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I think there is one thing that is worse today than ever was and that is the prolifiration of ...DRUGS. It would seem amongst young people nationwide there is a huge problem with heroin addiction and other drugs. Bored unemployed teanagers used to be content on getting smashed in the park on strong lager, now its cheaper and easier to take heroin. Statistics show that most crime whether burglary, shoplifting, car theft, muggings and associated knife and gun crime can in many cases,be linked back to the need of desperate individuals to obtain cash to buy drugs. I think that is a very current phenomenon and one that is getting dangerously out of control. The rich take cocaine, the poor take heroin, not a feature of pre 1970 Britain, certainly not on a scale that is evident now.
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I think there is one thing that is worse today than ever was and that is the prolifiration of ...DRUGS. It would seem amongst young people nationwide there is a huge problem with heroin addiction and other drugs. Bored unemployed teanagers used to be content on getting smashed in the park on strong lager, now its cheaper and easier to take heroin. Statistics show that most crime whether burglary, shoplifting, car theft, muggings and associated knife and gun crime can in many cases,be linked back to the need of desperate individuals to obtain cash to buy drugs. I think that is a very current phenomenon and one that is getting dangerously out of control. The rich take cocaine, the poor take heroin, not a feature of pre 1970 Britain, certainly not on a scale that is evident now.
There were plenty of illegal drugs around in the late 60s and onwards

One odd thing that I have noticed is the different way that the same drugs (including alcohol) are used. There seems to be no attempt at enlightenment or exploration, most of them just seem to want to get as smashed as possible as quickly as possible.

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