Conspiracies (sp?)

[faginsgirl]

I have just watched a documentary on the assasination of JFK. Now the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald said that as far as he is concerned Lee did it and did it alone. He said if we go back and look at Oswalds childhhood it would all come together when looking at his personality.So, if HE is saying this, does society just like a mystery?

I personally have my doubts that the Americans landed on the moon after watching a documentary on it. Things dont add up. But on the other hand, part of me says of course they DID!

What do you think about conspiracy theories? Just gossip and imagination? Or something else.

xx

[Marky B]

I have no problem about the Moon landings. JFK directed by Oliver Stone is probably the best one about the assassination of Kennedy and the conspiracies that evolved from it.
Central TV's Kennedy with Martin Sheen in the titular role was a fairly straight forward version of the Kennedy years at the White House. However,the Dallas scene clearly showed Kennedy/Sheen's head go forward on first impact,and then go back on the second,which clearly suggested it was two shots from two different angles. This was taken up by our Kev in JFK,who introduced the "magic bullet" theory.
If you hadn't seen JFK or Kennedy (a brilliant British made production),check them out,but treat the former as entertainment rather than historic. Nonetheless,it does make you think.
There have been conspiracy theories about the attacks on New York and Washington in 2001,and of course the death of Princess Diana and Dodi Al Fayed. With them though you have to decide whether you are going to believe them or you want to believe them - if it is the latter,then you are going to believe them come what may.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[davidb]

Originally Posted by faginsgirl I have just watched a documentary on the assasination of JFK. Now the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald said that as far as he is concerned Lee did it and did it alone. He said if we go back and look at Oswalds childhhood it would all come together when looking at his personality.So, if HE is saying this, does society just like a mystery? I personally have my doubts that the Americans landed on the moon after watching a documentary on it. Things dont add up. But on the other hand, part of me says of course they DID! What do you think about conspiracy theories? Just gossip and imagination? Or something else. xx

the russians had the means to prove the usa liars as far as the moon landings were concerned ,if the usa had faked it ,i bet the ussr would have only been to happy to expose it as a fraud ,

[earlb]

It's a pity I will no longer be around when man eventually does go to the moon and discovers there're no remnants of previous visits and to hear how the Americans explain it away.

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by Marky B I have no problem about the Moon landings. JFK directed by Oliver Stone is probably the best one about the assassination of Kennedy and the conspiracies that evolved from it.

But remember that JFK is about the conspiracy theories, not about what actually happened
It's strongly influenced by Stone's own prejudices and does tend to ignore a lot of facts.

Sadly, many people take it as an accurate portrayal of events

Central TV's Kennedy with Martin Sheen in the titular role was a fairly straight forward version of the Kennedy years at the White House. However,the Dallas scene clearly showed Kennedy/Sheen's head go forward on first impact,and then go back on the second,which clearly suggested it was two shots from two different angles. This was taken up by our Kev in JFK,who introduced the "magic bullet" theory.

The "magic bullet" theory was around long before Stone's JFK.
And it's long been explained by simple physics and medical science
But of course that's not as dramatic as having Costner saying "Back and to the left" over and over again.

Stone's film is right in saying that there was only the one prosecution - but remember that the jury did throw it out

Steve

[Moor Larkin]

Psychologists seem to think it's the human desire to create control and order where there seems only chaos..................... it's a God thing.

Personally I'm always in favour of Cock-Up Theories and the laws of unintended consequences.

[john audley]

All conspiracy theories are conspired by writers to sell books

[Marky B]

Originally Posted by Steve Crook But remember that JFK is about the conspiracy theories, not about what actually happened Steve

I did say treat it as entertainment and not historic.
I just personally believe that LHO was not alone. JFK did highlight the time between the shots and the timing of repriming the rifle. Kennedy just highlighted the incident and his death.
Ta Ta
Marky B

[batman]

Originally Posted by faginsgirl I have just watched a documentary on the assasination of JFK. Now the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald said that as far as he is concerned Lee did it and did it alone. He said if we go back and look at Oswalds childhhood it would all come together when looking at his personality.So, if HE is saying this, does society just like a mystery? xx

I used to believe the JFK conspiracy theories .... until I read this book.

Amazon.co.uk: Case Closed: Gerald Posner: Books

[christoph404]

Concerning the Kennedy assassination, the magic bullet theory was disproved a long time ago as was the "ballistics theories" suggesting bullets from different directions. Its all in the Warren Commision report but conspiracy theorists, including Oliver Stone, simply choose to ignore the facts and evidence and make up their own! Jim Garrison was not a ballistics expert and those who did know anything about ballistics stated that there was nothing unusual about a recoil reflex from a head shot going in the direction of where the bullet came from. To demonsrate that point the Warren Commission filmed an experiment where a live Goat was shot in the back of the head from a distance with a rifle, the recoil of the unfortunate animals head was towards where the bullet had come from but conspiracy theorists who know zero about the laws of physics or ballistics keep harping on about "back and to the left", its a load of old rubbish as is the magic bullet theory. The Kennedy Assassination Homepage by John Mcadams,is one of the more sensible and informed sites on this subject, there are some interesting facts and photos and extremely simple and logical explanations for all the mad theories regarding Kennedys assassination.

[Moor Larkin]

Originally Posted by batman I used to believe the JFK conspiracy theories .... until I read this book.

Beware ye the convert..........

[scholes]

Conspiracy theories like all good theories are only valid until disproved.
I will concentrate on the moon landings.
Dodgy shadows notwithstanding, if the USA didn't land on the moon,and there is some good arguments to suppose they didn't , then it has to be the best kept secret of all time.
I find it laughable, that not one of the many thousands of people involved in such a large national undertaking haven't been tempted to step forward and spill the beans.
The reason for the film Capricorn One ,apparently.
The only reason we know that Everest and K2 were climbed was because memorobilia was left at the summit, confirmed by fellow climbers.
The only proof we have that the moon landings ocurred is that we're told they occured.........by the Americans.
It's not my personal view but I think CT's have cherry picked out reasons why it could have been a hoax as opposed to presenting an informative proposal as to how the 'hoax' took place.

[Moor Larkin]

Originally Posted by scholes if the USA didn't land on the moon,and there is some good arguments to suppose they didn't ,

No, no, no, no, that's how they start getting at you.

Don't give in to it...........

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by scholes Conspiracy theories like all good theories are only valid until disproved. I will concentrate on the moon landings. Dodgy shadows notwithstanding, if the USA didn't land on the moon,and there is some good arguments to suppose they didn't , then it has to be the best kept secret of all time. I find it laughable, that not one of the many thousands of people involved in such a large national undertaking haven't been tempted to step forward and spill the beans. The reason for the film Capricorn One ,apparently. The only reason we know that Everest and K2 were climbed was because memorobilia was left at the summit, confirmed by fellow climbers. The only proof we have that the moon landings ocurred is that we're told they occured.........by the Americans. It's not my personal view but I think CT's have cherry picked out reasons why it could have been a hoax as opposed to presenting an informative proposal as to how the 'hoax' took place.

Of course, that's what conspiracy theorists do
That and ignore the quite reasonable explanations, like for the shadows in this case.

Steve

[lordtednfs]

Today on CNN were two "reputable" forensic scientists who have delved into the RFK assasination and have information from audio tapes to prove that RFK was killed by more than one assassin and say that 9 bullets were actually fired during the assassination and yet the gun of the alleged assassin could only hold 8 bullets.

Who led the investigation? Lt Drebben from Police Squad? It's only taken 40 years for this info to come out. What about the bullet holes in people and in the surrounding area?

Regarding JFK, It has been proved so many times that it's impossible to fire off as many shots that LHO is said to have done with the rifle of that day. The fatal shot that killed JFK must have come from the front as it's been seen so many times that his head whips back from the impact.

If some hits you from behind, do you throw your head backwards???? I don't think so.

As for walking on the moon, an excellent song from The Police.

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