does amy wineshop get on your nerves

[Gazza]

It does sadden me to read such vitriol - it all comes from the viewpoint that 'we', the great British public, know better than 'you', the great druggy unwashed.

David you ask what sort of message Amy sends out to the kids. She possibly sends out the message that it's ok to be talented, creative and rich at a young age. That you can be yourself, that you don't have to kowtow to narrow mindedness to be successful. I'd also suggest the message kids get is: abuse drugs and you'll be in a mess. You want to be in and out of clinics? You want the depression? You want to get mixed up with the wrong types? You want the burns on the arms? There is nothing glamorous whatsoever about the image we get of Amy from the press.

Yet see her live on stage and she's unforgettable. I recorded the BBC performance she did at Porchester Hall and watch it again and again.

Nandywell, I guess I'm lucky; I tend towards understanding before judgement but I know that's not easy.

[batman]

Originally Posted by davidb she hasnt yet proved shes a "great" too early to crash and burn

I have an answer to that but it would probably be moderated.

[penfold]

Originally Posted by batman Amy is a great singer but a troubled young woman. She needs someone to help her take control of her life otherwise it might end very suddenly.

As a Sandy Denny fan, that's what worries me too....it was how she went, only in those days, less publicly. A waste of any life, it just seems worse when there's so much obvious talent at stake too.

[Gazza]

There's also the concept that some people can't be as creative as they are without their addictions or the support of something 'other'.

The Beat Poets come to mind, particularly William S Burroughs (Naked Lunch). It's also considered that Marcel Proust may never have achieved A La Recherche du Temps Perdu without a toxic mix of barbituates and opium.

The truth is, the style and substance of Amy's work would be quite different if she were clean. So maybe it's our fault too for loving and admiring soulful, heartfelt and deeply personal work.

[Fellwanderer]

Am I the only person here who has never seen her or heard her?

Perhaps I should get out more - or not

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Fellwanderer Am I the only person here who has never seen her or heard her? Perhaps I should get out more - or not

Have a listen Fell, she also writes her songs

YouTube - The DL - Amy Winehouse 'Valerie' Live

regards

Freddy

[Moor Larkin]

According to the weekend rags her hubby has come over all spiritual and reborn while he's been banged up, so as he seems to be the only one with any real influence over the drug-addled mite, maybe there's hope for her future (and his).

Why am I thinking Sid 'n' Nancy...................

[davidb]

Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett What's the cut-off point for someone suffering from drug addiction to be worthy of sympathy? If Amy only had £900,000 would she deserve another chance?

yeah thats it ,the courts are full of people with addictions who havent got a record contract ,no one sympathises with their pitiful lives ,the kind of people who go out to steal or prostitute themselves to pay for it , but its ok for amy and potty pete cos theyve got a record company bankrolling them ,and amy has wrote the odd catchy tune ,what i think of when those two are up at magistrates for offences relating to their befuddled lives is all the other addicts wholl be before the beak that day ,who dont have a limo outside or a media scrum waiting for them ,whose to say that their lives wouldnt have been as worthy without their addictions ?, society itself is hypocritical

[Moor Larkin]

Originally Posted by davidb the courts are full of people with addictions who havent got a record contract ,no one sympathises with their pitiful lives

Well, I think we do, that's why we pay all this tax to fund the services to help them.

If you mean *why aren't they in the 'papers?*..... I think it's because that would be an invasion of their privacy and their right to a private hell of their own.

[davidb]

when i mention former rock and roll hellraisers ,its not cos im advocating their lifestyle ,moon and bonham for example lived life with a big L ,could do the whole out of control rock star routine with style .........it killed them ,they thought they were invicible but no they werent ,moon in particular was a showman and his antics offstage were part of the act ,he would never have appeared in public looking like death warmed up like amy or pete ,although he would of looked that way in private im sure ,what chance do amy and pete have if more robust ,larger than life charactors eventually went too far ,overdosed and died ? , its a freak show were watching ,

[hhhhancock]

[b]Amy Crackhouse, et al. Are you sure they are so talented, have you listened to Billie Holliday and Ella Fitzgerald?

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by davidb when i mention former rock and roll hellraisers ,its not cos im advocating their lifestyle ,moon and bonham for example lived life with a big L ,could do the whole out of control rock star routine with style .........it killed them ,they thought they were invicible but no they werent ,moon in particular was a showman and his antics offstage were part of the act ,he would never have appeared in public looking like death warmed up like amy or pete ,although he would of looked that way in private im sure ,what chance do amy and pete have if more robust ,larger than life charactors eventually went too far ,overdosed and died ? , its a freak show were watching ,

Moon often appeared in public, and on stage, drunk or stoned

Steve

[Steve Crook]

Originally Posted by hhhhancock [b]Amy Crackhouse, et al. Are you sure they are so talented, have you listened to Billie Holliday and Ella Fitzgerald?

I don't know about 'al', but yes, I think Amy Winehouse is very talented.
And yes, I have also listened to, and greatly admire the work of Billie Holliday and Ella Fitzgerald

But the drug use doesn't help Amy Winehouse just like it didn't help Billie Holliday

It's often when young musicians look back at the likes of Billie Holliday and others who destroyed their lives with drugs and the youngsters think that if they do the drugs then they'll be as good as their idols. Of course it doesn't usually work out that way. But it's a problem that goes way back to the dim and distant

Steve

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by hhhhancock [b]Amy Crackhouse, et al. Are you sure they are so talented, have you listened to Billie Holliday and Ella Fitzgerald?

Yes, and I still think AW has a unique and beautiful voice.

regards

Freddy

[davidb]

Originally Posted by hhhhancock [b]Amy Crackhouse, et al. Are you sure they are so talented, have you listened to Billie Holliday and Ella Fitzgerald?

i agree ,one good album with a few catchy songs doesnt make you a legend ,and the way shes going therell be no third album to prove me wrong