Steve Crook

Sometimes the insane can recall everything they did. They just don't think that they did anything wrong

Steve

batman

Or they realise what they did was wrong but couldn't stop themselves doing it, this is particularly relevant to Sutcliffe who was suffering from 'command delusions'.

This Austrian case is bizarre beyond belief!

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Frank63

As this man and others like him can most probably never be cured and never released beacuse they are a danger to the public, and as so many people are against capital punishment. Why can they not be senteneced to 99 years ?. This way they will never be released nor be eligable for parole. Or am I missing something ?.

" I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception" Groucho Marx

Chevyman

I can't see him being let out tbh. Where would he live? How safe would he be? I'm not particularly concerned about the latter but the issue will be raised.

Keeping him alive seems to have cost the state dearly. The word on him these days is that he has diabetes, which has proved difficult to control, he is morbidly obese and has difficulty walking, he is blind in one eye and has poor vision in the other. The cost of community care would be very high. IMHO it can't be justified when elderly people right now are having to pay for care at home having worked and paid their dues all their lives.

Brady on the other hand, has been force fed for nearly seven years as he refuses oral feeds. He actually wants to be allowed to die and has no wish to be released.

Someone mentioned death by lethal injection earlier in the topic?

Normally painless but there have been a few slip ups. t One of he most recent being when the drug used to induce sleep was administered intra-muscularly rather than intra-venously causing extreme pain for about twenty minutes and took over half an hour to die.
CNN.com - Warden: Williams frustrated at end - Dec 13, 2005
The flaw in the system being that the condemned prisoner is not cannulated by a doctor

christoph404

Disturbing stuff. Governor Schwarzenegger had the last word by denying clemency and upholding the death warrant on Williams. I remember some of the lurid headlines at the time "Schwarzenegger terminates killer" Williams spent a fair bit of his time behind bars promoting anti gang and anti violence messages to children through his articulate writing.He admitted his violent past but always maintained he was innocent of the murders for which he was charged. I do not think he deserved to die, especially in this way.

samkydd

Perhaps they'll lock the Austrian psycho up in a dark and dingy cellar and get some old pervert to come and shag him several times a day for the next thirty years!

It happened in Greece many years ago when a father didn't want his daughter seeing some bloke and so he locked her up in a room for many many years, feeding her with rice and scraps pushed under the gap under the door. She was young when she went in but by the time she was discovered and released I think she was in her 40s and her fingernails were about five inches long, and she hadn't seen daylight during her imprisonment.

I wouldn't think twice about beating someone to a pulp if they did that to an animal, but to a human and their own flesh and blood it doesn't bear thinking about. Every day for the rest of their miserable lives should be spent in pain and misery. Hopefully if/when they go to jail other prisoners will make their lives a hell on earth!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

earlb

I do not have a problem with that !!!

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

CaptainWaggett

The recent tv drama The State Within featured an execution by lethal injection. It looked like legalised torture ending in death. Not something a civilised society should even contemplate.

batman

It's what is known as 'rehabilitation' .... Williams couldn't erase what he had done, but even if his writings saved only one other life surely that is a better thing for humankind than painfully destroying his life.

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Lord Brett

I hope you would have a problem if he later turned out to be innocent.

Shadwell

Treating someone like Peter Sutcliffe in the community would be extremely difficult. As I understand it from the programme he is arguing that he is now sane and that by keeping him inside Broadmoor is a breech of the European Convention of Human Rights. He is a paranoid schizophrenic, allbeit one at the the extreme end of the scale. If he was trying to fake it, he would have been found out by now. The biggest predictor of possible future violence has always been one of what happened in the past. There is no known cure for paranoid schizophrenia. Sure, the medication and the various therapies DO go some way to alleviating the worst of the symptoms but if left untreated, the command hallucinations and delusions Sutcliffe was experencing would over a period of time come back. IMHO, he would then pose a danger towards the public. He would have to be very closely monitored in the community to ensure he was complying with treatment. As the programme pointed out, he is now overweight, suffers from diabetes and is blind in one eye following an attack from another patient. It's difficult this. The Ripper committed some terrible crimes when he was mentally ill there is no getting away from that. He may well now be sane thanks to receiving treatment inside Broadmoor. Obviously I don't have access to insider information on him or it could be that despite Broadmoor's best efforts, he is untreatable. I've seen this with some schizophrenics that despite the medication, they sre still left badly damaged experiencing hallucinations and delusions. My view is that Sutcliffe is too high profile to be ever released from Broadmoor. Of course, stranger things have happened....

Time to keep your appointment with the Wicker Man...

Chevyman

I don't think he'd run far?

batman

I totally agree shadwell.

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samkydd

And if God started giving him instructions to kill people again there'd be hell to pay!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

earlb

Who said we were civilised - Think Holacaust - Bosnia - Iraq - Afghanistan - darfur . I could go on but you get my point and I'm not asking you to agree with it

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.