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Old 19-07-2008, 10:19 PM
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I'm a very cynical atheist, but the Sallies are one Christian group I never mind giving my dosh to. Reason being they don't just talk about 'doing unto others' - they actually get out there and do it. They show kindness and love to the unlovable on our streets. They get out there and actually feed and clothe the poor and the homeless, and preaching the gospel is the last thing on their minds.

As for them playing their music on the streets? Well ... I'll give them that too. I have played band gigs on cold, wet city streets in the middle of winter. It's not exactly the most fun in the world, I can tell you. They always get a couple of quid from me, at least.

Oh, and they are brilliant musicians too .
I totally agree with your comments its exactly why have so much time for them, I am not particuraly religous but they get my vote every time.

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Old 19-07-2008, 10:41 PM
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But one man's sin is another man's pleasure. I like a drink or two... so I don't need anyone to tell me that it's a sin in their belief system...
The ones that used to come round to our pub never told us off in any way for drinking. They just offered the choice if anyone wanted to take it

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I once worked for the Salvation Army - paid employment, as well as volunteer work - and I donate several times a year. They were incredibly supportive of me when my father suddenly died of a fatal heart attack back in 1999. I admire the SA for all the work they do and they will help anyone in need, regardless of religious affiliation, or lack of.
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Whenver I see the Salvation Army collecting in a town or city I always go out of my way to give a contribution. They are a comforting present in a world that simply isnt very nice anymore and they do sterling work.

Whenever I am on holiday in Bournemouth I always see this lovely old gent collecting in the town and buy a War Cry from him.
Although something rather sinister lurks beneath the service. I was brought up in a small seaside town where the two biggest business families were Salvation Army die-hards. Many believed that because of this link with the organisation they were able to use its influence when it came to things like getting Planning Permission for one of their new business ventures, or perhaps a dodgy extension to an existing shop or restaurant, and also stopping rival businesses from opening by successfully objecting to them getting Planning Consent etc. Also they never ever got parking tickets despite some of their vehicles causing obstructions etc and often their children were given the benefit of the doubt by the police if they were involved in anything untoward.

It was almost a Masonic type of back scratching going on, and a lot of people outside of the clan felt that it was rather unfair that they should receive this perceived preferential treatment. I don't know if there was any truth behind the whispers, but forty years on the same families still control most of the commerce in the town and woe betide anyone who wants to set up a new venture and threaten their monopoly. It's as if anyone joining the SA will buy a golden ticket to trade.

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I have worked as a volunteer for the Salvation Army. Although I'm not religious I have great respect for what they actually achieve. The SA do roll up their sleeves (literally in many cases) to help and aid people who are destitute.

Whilst other religious organisation's preach and pontificate from inside warm cozy places of worship, the SA are out on the streets, in all weathers, physically assisting people who are ignored by the social provision providers.
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I remember when The Salvation Army were under a great deal of scrutiny, with many in the media looking for any dirt that would provide good copy. I sadly at the time swallowed a lot of the hype, my opinion changed however over a very long week in London in 1985 when after losing my job and flat, and being totally broke, the Army helped out by providing a few meals and a bed for the night until i had some cash sent down by a friend.
They asked no questions and looked for nothing in return. I am not a Christian, but i never, ever walk past an Army collector with dropping in a couple of quid. I must have paid them back a thousand times over, and if i do it for the rest of my life it is still not enough to thank them.

I'm sure every organization has a few bad apples, thats just the nature of things, but i do believe there is far, far more good than bad in The Salvation Army.
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Although something rather sinister lurks beneath the service. I was brought up in a small seaside town where the two biggest business families were Salvation Army die-hards. Many believed that because of this link with the organisation they were able to use its influence when it came to things like getting Planning Permission for one of their new business ventures, or perhaps a dodgy extension to an existing shop or restaurant, and also stopping rival businesses from opening by successfully objecting to them getting Planning Consent etc. Also they never ever got parking tickets despite some of their vehicles causing obstructions etc and often their children were given the benefit of the doubt by the police if they were involved in anything untoward.

It was almost a Masonic type of back scratching going on, and a lot of people outside of the clan felt that it was rather unfair that they should receive this perceived preferential treatment. I don't know if there was any truth behind the whispers, but forty years on the same families still control most of the commerce in the town and woe betide anyone who wants to set up a new venture and threaten their monopoly. It's as if anyone joining the SA will buy a golden ticket to trade.
I think that sort of thing might occasionally happen, but is highly unusual. It's much more likely to happen with Rotary clubs or with the Masons themselves.

In this small seaside town, did anyone outside these families appear to get any benefit? Maybe it was just a situation where certain families control most things in a town. That doesn't only happen in Sicily

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