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Old 06-02-2008, 03:19 AM
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Today marks the 50th anniversary of the tragic 1958 Munich Air Disaster which took the lives of 23 people including eight players from the legendary Manchester United team of that time.
Always remembered as the Busby Babes.
There was a very good episode of Nation on Film the other night on BBC 4 with Bobby Charlton remembering events before, during and after the crash with lots of footage of the babes.

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The names of the 23 who perished:

Roger Byrne (Manchester United captain)
Geoff Bent (Player)
Eddie Colman (Player)
Duncan Edwards (Player)
Mark Jones (Player)
David Pegg (Player)
Tommy Taylor (Player)
Billy Whelan (Player)
Walter Crickmer (Club secretary)
Bert Whalley (Chief Coach)
Tom Curry (Trainer)
Alf Clarke (Journalist - Manchester Evening Chronicle)
Don Davies (Journalist - Manchester Guardian)
George Fellows (Journalist - Daily Herald)
Tom Jackson (Journalist - Manchester Evening News)
Archie Ledbrooke (Journalist - Daily Mirror)
Henry Rose (Journalist - Daily Express)
Frank Swift (Journalist - News of the World)
Eric Thompson (Journalist - Daily Mail)
Willie Satinoff (Supporter)
Capt. Kenneth Rayment (Co-pilot)
Bela Miklos (Travel Agent)
Tom Cable (Passenger)
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There was a very good episode of Nation on Film the other night on BBC 4 with Bobby Charlton remembering events before, during and after the crash with lots of footage of the babes.

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Some great quotes about the Busby Babes.

"I felt I was in a position where I could have sat back for the next ten years and just watched them play. They were ready to take over from Real Madrid as the finest side ever seen in football." Sir Matt Busby.

"You can keep all your Bests, Peles and Maradonas. Duncan Edwards was the greatest of them all." Tommy Docherty.

"Duncan Edwards is the one person who, even today, I really felt inferior to. I've never known anybody so gifted and strong and powerful with the presence that he had." Bobby Charlton.

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Old 07-02-2008, 02:50 PM
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Any comments about last night's debut for Fabio Cappello?
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:52 PM
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The first half was like the McClaren era all over again. The second half was much better, they actually looked like a team for a change. That second half was pretty entertaining but Capello still has a long way to go to turn them into serious World Cup contenders. He does look like the right man for the job though.

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
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Not Fab enough but I think there is some promise there.

Give the players their dues. They didn't know who was playing with who until an hour or so before the game. Of course it will take time to gel them into a team.
Cappello still has to pick his best team.

Nice to see such a young team in place instead of the usual collection of old faithfuls. At least now the players have to really earn their spot in the side.

What does everyone think of the new England strip? Cannot say I was taken by it.

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The Premier League's latest grab for cash.

The League are to explore the possibilities of staging an extra match each season that would be played in an overseas city in the likes of Asia, Australia, North America or Middle East.
This would mean each Premier club playing 39 games with a draw to pick each sides overseas match.

Seems a none starter to me. I cannot see the home based fans being pleased with this idea.
The logistics would also be a massive headache.

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The Premier League's latest grab for cash.

The League are to explore the possibilities of staging an extra match each season that would be played in an overseas city in the likes of Asia, Australia, North America or Middle East.
This would mean each Premier club playing 39 games with a draw to pick each sides overseas match.

Seems a none starter to me. I cannot see the home based fans being pleased with this idea.
The logistics would also be a massive headache.

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Morning Dave, you're up late

I think it will happen, the money men appear to be fully behind it, and looking at the potential windfall it is understandable. According to the BBC website

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The Premier League's income from the sale of overseas TV rights has already increased from £178m in 2001 to £625m for the current deal that runs until 2010.
What it does have in its favour, which will make it a reality, is that every club will be involved, not just the big clubs. What will be interesting is how far into the future will it be until some FA cup games and some European games will be played globally. The home fans will have to accept it.

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No the home fans will not accept it without a fight.I will certainly be telling Hill Wood what i think of this nonsensical idea.Just one point for example.Who decides the fixtures.After all if we were drawn against Chelski and United against Derby this would give United an unfair advantage.Given that on a number of occasions the Leage has been won by a single point it would effectively devalue the league season and turn it into a lottery.In the end just more cynical money grabbing by the clubs.

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Old 08-02-2008, 10:54 AM
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Any comments about last night's debut for Fabio Cappello?
I think his strategy of notta spikkin de eenglish is a genius strategy for avoiding the anodyne sports reporters seeking pointless quotes. Maybe the next British England manager could claim to have a speech impedimemt, so he doesn't have to have his brains scrambled by having to explain every single thing he does every time he does it.

I thought the key moment of the game was when the team swept a series of passes, that led them all the way back to their own penalty area, the crowd erupted in a howling boo's, the players held their nerve and passed the ball all the way back upfield and Joe Cole (I think) nearly finished the sequence off with a goal.

At other times they passed the ball back to Calamity, who did the usual despairing hoofing up the pitch. Fortunately Calamity can't kick that well so the ball generally skewed out for a throw-in; this seemed to put them off doing it anymore, which can only be a good thing.

I was also most impressed by the fact we went 1-0 up, they drew level, but then we actually came back and won the game, rather than subsiding to a draw or losing in the last ten minutes.......... alright it was only the Swiss........

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Old 08-02-2008, 10:56 AM
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it would effectively devalue the league season and turn it into a lottery.In the end just more cynical money grabbing by the clubs.
Doesn't that remind you of something else .... the play-offs!

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Old 08-02-2008, 10:58 AM
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At other times they passed the ball back to Calamity, who did the usual despairing hoofing up the pitch. Fortunately Calamity can't kick that well so the ball generally skewed out for a throw-in; this seemed to put them off doing it anymore, which can only be a good thing.

Come On England!
Apparently Cappello gave James a right bollocking from the touchline about this during the match. According to one of the TV pundits Cappello hates the 'big hoof' upfield and encourages his keepers to distribute the ball constructively.

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No the home fans will not accept it without a fight.I will certainly be telling Hill Wood what i think of this nonsensical idea.Just one point for example.Who decides the fixtures.After all if we were drawn against Chelski and United against Derby this would give United an unfair advantage.Given that on a number of occasions the Leage has been won by a single point it would effectively devalue the league season and turn it into a lottery.In the end just more cynical money grabbing by the clubs.
You are right, the fans will fight it but do you think they will win?
A few years back Man Utd. played an exhibition game at Old Trafford and children could get in free. The local news made a big thing about it and interviewed one of the board who said they did it "because the child who is here today is the Executive Box holder of tomorrow."

It will take a lot of planning and debate but if all twenty clubs explore the proposal and find a positive outcome then it will happen. As for my suggestion of playing an FA cup game if you were a chairman of a small club, get Arsenal in the draw and with it an opportunity to get a few million pounds if it was played abroad
what would you do? in fact perhaps it would be easier to play certain cup games overseas than have to fiddle with league fixtures.

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All the current Premier League clubs have apparently given this idea the green light and it is due to be introduced in the 2010-2011 season.

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