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Gibbie · 02-09-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally posted by Jennie_Kermode@Aug 29 2005, 04:24 PM
I'm thirty two, but seriously ill, so not exactly youthful and bouncy. My close friends range in age from seventeen to seventy three; I've never seen age as a big deal. It can create something of a culture gap, but those happen for other reasons anyway, and they make life interesting.

Jennie

I agree Jennie - away with the generation gap!

"My Generation" is f-f-f-faded history!

samkydd · 02-09-2005, 07:06 AM

I have no problem with 20 somethings, I just wouldn't want to be one in 2005 with this non-culture that exists where everything appears to have been copied from previous generations, and they get excited by watching something like Big Brother and the fact that their mobiles can take pictures and video clips!

Going completely off topic, when Mrs T's mob took away the restrictions on borrowing she turned everyone into thinking that they were middle class overnight, by allowing them to sink into debt to buy cars, houses, VCRs, holidays etc all on the drip. The unions were effectively broken because people were in so much debt that they couldn't afford to protest or strike about anything because all their middle class trinkets and possibly their home, would disappear without regular money and overtime coming in, and so the TUC lost its clout virtually overnight.

Back in the 70s if you wanted a mortgage you had to save with the lender for a few years beforehand, and you needed a hefty deposit to put down. If you wanted to buy a car or motorcycle, again you had to save with the bank for quite a while before you could even apply for a loan and even then they wanted at least a third of the value of the vehicle as a deposit.

The debt society as we know it today started from the early 80s, and it is now the norm for people to owe lots of money. With the introduction of student loans, you're in debt from a much earlier age too. When you're 22 and you have to pay back a few thousand quid for your student loan it leaves you little money for anything else, and so you end up borrowing more to help get by and in no time at all the plastic debt is as much as the student loan!

So with this millstone of debt hanging round your neck it stifles the urge to break out and try something different, or feel real freedom, and whereas I could leave the country at the drop of a hat aged 22 and backpack to wherever I fancied and worry about getting a proper job when I came back, today the pressure is on almost as soon as you leave school to get a safe job and stick at it in order to honour you're commitments!

So if you wanted to be a film maker or an actor say, it's a difficult career to make a success of, so many potential Hitchcocks and Oliviers are going into accountancy or IT because it almost guarantees a safe pay packet every week, and so they're turning their backs on something they would really love to do!

It's up to young people to get on the government's back and say "No! We want grants not loans, and we shouldn't have to pay tuition fees!" Kick off in Whitehall, after all many students that come here from abroad have their fees and accommodation paid for by their respective governments, so why can't our students? Why do they have to be second rate citizens! Demonstrate, remonstrate, debate, frustrate and anihilate this awful policy of turning our youngsters into middle aged bank clerks who won't say boo to a goose in case they lose their safe jobs!

So watch something like the film If.... and you don't feel the hairs on the back of your neck rise, or feel a tingling sensation down your spine, then it's too late. You're a bank clerk for life! !

David Brent · 02-09-2005, 08:48 AM

"Talking 'bout my g-g-generation"
All we children of the sixties used to sing -
"Hope I die before we get old."
Maturity certainly puts a different perspective on life.Now I try to live and enjoy the qualities of life every day and wouldn't dream of bailing out before my full compliment of year's. Age and life are just a state of mind.
As the famous saying goes - "Youth is wasted on the young."

Ah, if only I knew in youth what I know now. But hey....that's life.

Dave.

Fellwanderer · 02-09-2005, 08:52 AM

Well said, sam!

FELL

Gibbie · 02-09-2005, 12:47 PM

Billy Bragg are we.

You can't pin it all on Mrs. Thatcher. Those people got themselves into debt of their own accord. Her thing was to open the economy. While some of this was helpful, a free market that doesn't have strong ethical guidelines (total free market) will get agressive fast. Credit started earlier, it was just then that credit opened up. And, don't tell me the socialists did anything to help!

Anyway, life is more than economics.

Film reflects certain aspects of what's going on in culture. You can call the 50s + period, the rise of consumer culture. And then again, life is more than economics.

You are right, the 20 somethings are entertained by cheap little things, but weren't we also.

Diane Blackwell · 02-09-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Gibbie@Sep 2 2005, 12:47 PM
You are right, the 20 somethings are entertained by cheap little things, but weren't we also.

But surely that's part of the (many) problems - younger people's "cheap little things" aren't cheap at all - when my son (17) steps out of the house, he's worth about £550 - and that doesn't include clothing/money - it's just his mobile and iPod!

Gibbie · 02-09-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diane Blackwell@Sep 2 2005, 12:54 PM
But surely that's part of the (many) problems - younger people's "cheap little things" aren't cheap at all - when my son (17) steps out of the house, he's worth about £550 - and that doesn't include clothing/money - it's just his mobile and iPod!

Quite right, mum!

Fellwanderer · 02-09-2005, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gibbie@Sep 2 2005, 01:47 PM
Billy Bragg are we.

You can't pin it all on Mrs. Thatcher.

Yes, I do.

FELL

samkydd · 02-09-2005, 02:22 PM

Billy Bragg is to socialism what Groucho is to Marxism! I'm not a socialist either, I'm just stating what happened and Mrs T was instrumental in doing it, and she was very clever indeed. Social improvement via material possessions and home ownership and breaking the people's natural Bolshie spirit at the same time. No more winters of discontent for her, not on your Nellie, just years of discontent for the rest of us! No doubt Mr Major or Mr Blair would have done exactly the same had it not already succeeded!

With the temptations of the material world people did start to lose their balls because the greed culture became firmly established in the late 80s! If people were stupid enough to get into debt for a £500 VCR or a Ford Escort Cabriolet then I was unsympathetic, but now students are being forced into debt before they've even entered the job market, which is just not right! It's a time in your life for newfound freedom and no financial responsibility! I never went to higher education of course, (I was only ever good at one thing at school, and they didn't do an 'O' Level in rolling fags) my brothers and I were chucked out of the house at 16 to "make your own way in the world", but I imagine that life in university or polytechnic was pretty enjoyable and a worthwhile experience with which to start adult life.

Catch 22 1980s Style - My neighbour used to get a lift to work during the week, but in order to work weekend overtime he went out and bought a new car, paid for by the overtime he worked at the weekends, which he had to do to pay for his new car!

I was also entertained by cheap little things in my youth, Alison G and Caroline H to name but two! Half a cider and a Sobranie Cocktail ciggie and they were anybodys! Yeh heah heah heah!

Gibbie · 03-09-2005, 02:05 AM

A truly northern quote by a man of the hard knocks.

Good line - the Billy/Groucho comment.

You are right, greed culture neutered people.

Wolfgang · 14-09-2005, 11:53 AM

I am young at heart.

Steve Crook · 14-09-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

(samkydd @ Sep 14 2005, 03:56 PM)
I'm in my 40s and most people think I'm an arse hole!

They're very important. Life would be terrible without them

Steve

Izkovitch · 02-01-2006, 01:51 AM

Quote:

(samkydd @ Sep 2 2005, 02:22 PM)
Billy Bragg is to socialism what Groucho is to Marxism! ..

Don't be stupid. Groucho was the best Marxist!

Oi!!! Leave Billy out of this! Billy gets to the point of many a political issue with clarity and good sense! A bloody good bloke - have you ever listened to him? Interviews and his music - he is not a looney lefty at all and I am not sure why he gets labelled as such. AND he is a Socialist - he has not renewed his Labour Membership since 1997.

Back to the topic...

Just for the record, I am 31.

Steve Crook · 02-01-2006, 02:10 AM

Quote:

(Izkovitch @ Jan 2 2006, 01:51 AM)
Don't be stupid. Groucho was the best Marxist!

"Je suis Marxist - tendences Groucho" - famous graffito seen in Paris

Steve

arty-dave · 02-01-2006, 05:21 PM

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name='samkydd' date='Sep 2 2005, 02:22 PM' post='20694'Sobranie Cocktail ciggie

The purple one was my favourite - I wonder if they still make them?

02-09-2005, 07:06 AM	#47
samkydd has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Stackton Tressle Posts: 2,423 My Mood: Country: iTrader: (0)	I have no problem with 20 somethings, I just wouldn't want to be one in 2005 with this non-culture that exists where everything appears to have been copied from previous generations, and they get excited by watching something like Big Brother and the fact that their mobiles can take pictures and video clips! Going completely off topic, when Mrs T's mob took away the restrictions on borrowing she turned everyone into thinking that they were middle class overnight, by allowing them to sink into debt to buy cars, houses, VCRs, holidays etc all on the drip. The unions were effectively broken because people were in so much debt that they couldn't afford to protest or strike about anything because all their middle class trinkets and possibly their home, would disappear without regular money and overtime coming in, and so the TUC lost its clout virtually overnight. Back in the 70s if you wanted a mortgage you had to save with the lender for a few years beforehand, and you needed a hefty deposit to put down. If you wanted to buy a car or motorcycle, again you had to save with the bank for quite a while before you could even apply for a loan and even then they wanted at least a third of the value of the vehicle as a deposit. The debt society as we know it today started from the early 80s, and it is now the norm for people to owe lots of money. With the introduction of student loans, you're in debt from a much earlier age too. When you're 22 and you have to pay back a few thousand quid for your student loan it leaves you little money for anything else, and so you end up borrowing more to help get by and in no time at all the plastic debt is as much as the student loan! So with this millstone of debt hanging round your neck it stifles the urge to break out and try something different, or feel real freedom, and whereas I could leave the country at the drop of a hat aged 22 and backpack to wherever I fancied and worry about getting a proper job when I came back, today the pressure is on almost as soon as you leave school to get a safe job and stick at it in order to honour you're commitments! So if you wanted to be a film maker or an actor say, it's a difficult career to make a success of, so many potential Hitchcocks and Oliviers are going into accountancy or IT because it almost guarantees a safe pay packet every week, and so they're turning their backs on something they would really love to do! It's up to young people to get on the government's back and say "No! We want grants not loans, and we shouldn't have to pay tuition fees!" Kick off in Whitehall, after all many students that come here from abroad have their fees and accommodation paid for by their respective governments, so why can't our students? Why do they have to be second rate citizens! Demonstrate, remonstrate, debate, frustrate and anihilate this awful policy of turning our youngsters into middle aged bank clerks who won't say boo to a goose in case they lose their safe jobs! So watch something like the film If.... and you don't feel the hairs on the back of your neck rise, or feel a tingling sensation down your spine, then it's too late. You're a bank clerk for life! ! __________________ "...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

02-09-2005, 08:52 AM	#49
Fellwanderer is just waiting for Jenny to... Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Durham Posts: 1,970 Country: iTrader: (5)	Well said, sam! FELL __________________ All the best FELL *A signature is no substitute for a life*

02-09-2005, 02:22 PM	#54
samkydd has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Stackton Tressle Posts: 2,423 My Mood: Country: iTrader: (0)	Billy Bragg is to socialism what Groucho is to Marxism! I'm not a socialist either, I'm just stating what happened and Mrs T was instrumental in doing it, and she was very clever indeed. Social improvement via material possessions and home ownership and breaking the people's natural Bolshie spirit at the same time. No more winters of discontent for her, not on your Nellie, just years of discontent for the rest of us! No doubt Mr Major or Mr Blair would have done exactly the same had it not already succeeded! With the temptations of the material world people did start to lose their balls because the greed culture became firmly established in the late 80s! If people were stupid enough to get into debt for a £500 VCR or a Ford Escort Cabriolet then I was unsympathetic, but now students are being forced into debt before they've even entered the job market, which is just not right! It's a time in your life for newfound freedom and no financial responsibility! I never went to higher education of course, (I was only ever good at one thing at school, and they didn't do an 'O' Level in rolling fags) my brothers and I were chucked out of the house at 16 to "make your own way in the world", but I imagine that life in university or polytechnic was pretty enjoyable and a worthwhile experience with which to start adult life. Catch 22 1980s Style - My neighbour used to get a lift to work during the week, but in order to work weekend overtime he went out and bought a new car, paid for by the overtime he worked at the weekends, which he had to do to pay for his new car! I was also entertained by cheap little things in my youth, Alison G and Caroline H to name but two! Half a cider and a Sobranie Cocktail ciggie and they were anybodys! Yeh heah heah heah! __________________ "...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

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02-09-2005, 08:48 AM	#48
David Brent has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Queensland, Australia. Posts: 2,283 Country: iTrader: (3)	"Talking 'bout my g-g-generation" All we children of the sixties used to sing - "Hope I die before we get old." Maturity certainly puts a different perspective on life.Now I try to live and enjoy the qualities of life every day and wouldn't dream of bailing out before my full compliment of year's. Age and life are just a state of mind. As the famous saying goes - "Youth is wasted on the young." Ah, if only I knew in youth what I know now. But hey....that's life. Dave.

02-09-2005, 12:47 PM	#50
Gibbie has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 712 iTrader: (0)	Billy Bragg are we. You can't pin it all on Mrs. Thatcher. Those people got themselves into debt of their own accord. Her thing was to open the economy. While some of this was helpful, a free market that doesn't have strong ethical guidelines (total free market) will get agressive fast. Credit started earlier, it was just then that credit opened up. And, don't tell me the socialists did anything to help! Anyway, life is more than economics. Film reflects certain aspects of what's going on in culture. You can call the 50s + period, the rise of consumer culture. And then again, life is more than economics. You are right, the 20 somethings are entertained by cheap little things, but weren't we also.

03-09-2005, 02:05 AM	#55
Gibbie has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 712 iTrader: (0)	A truly northern quote by a man of the hard knocks. Good line - the Billy/Groucho comment. You are right, greed culture neutered people.

14-09-2005, 11:53 AM	#56
Wolfgang has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England Posts: 599 Country: iTrader: (2)	I am young at heart.