samkydd

Well it was ironic that SRV had won his battle against drugs and alcohol and went on tour with Eric Clapton and Robert Cray in 1991, and got into the wrong helicoptor, it crashed!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

foha80

Hi Ollie
Come on chip in what is making you.

arty-dave

Sorry to be pedantic, but...

The link isn't the original cover!!

Plus the tracks you mention aren't on the original album (Sailor's Life is on Unhalfbricking, for instance).

Funny you should mention it though, I was playing the original scratchy vinyl album at the weekend...

ollie

I'm not really angry terry it's just these things never get anywhere,i used to get emotive like Sam k and angry about these type of debates,i try not to now,but here i am chippin in "you couldn't leave it could you"

Sport is an easier medium to deal with if you run the fastest,throw,jump the furthest, win the most games etc you ARE the Best! there maybe a slight stylistic argument but ultimatly a winner is a winner(no michael jokes) .When we see the greatest or best of polls ie actors, and say hugh grant is placed above alec guiness or judy dench,well is dosn't sit right, but do any of us on a purely technical level have the expertise to split alec and judy? some on here may? but most of us would probably go with who we like the most.

This is taking me ages to write and i've allready mentally shot myself in the foot twice I was going to say it's subjective,but then i've blown my own argument that someone might have more understanding of a subject to differentiate.

Do we have to have an educated opinion before we start useing words like the best or great,or even good? and if we try and put our own qualified appraisal forward would anyone listen they would know what they liked

Cheers Ollie.

"Bullseye !!"

Guybrush Threepwood

Martin Lamble, Sandy Denny, Trevor Lucas

The way is up
Along the road
The air is growing thin
Too many friends who tried
Were blown off this mountain with the wind.....


But getting back to the subject (kinda)

A Rock journalist* (and they have taken a bit of a slagging on here) once wrote...

"Judging a guitar solo by how fast it's played is like judging a book by how fast it was typed"

It is the feeling and the understanding of the song that the guitarist brings to it that makes a good solo. One of my favorites is Dave Gilmour, - simply stunning - yet he was/is never one of the "flash b*****ds" who believe that playing fast is clever...or somehow adds something...

The trick to being in a band is to make it somehow greater than the sum of it's parts...the Stones wouldn't be the Stones without Keef and "The Beatles" wouldn't have been what they were without Ringo. However, when they each went off to do their own thing....how many of them took Ringo with them to work on their next albums?


Threep


*Charles Shaar Murray

foha80

Hello Ollie
you are of course right, you don't elevate one by diminishing the other.
We should celebrate that which gives us pleasure.Thanks for replying I realise that you have heard all this before,the same weariness comes over me when ever the 'What would you do if you won the lottery' conversation surfaces.

Terry

samkydd

Well Ringo had a few top 10 hits of his own in the 70s, and "It Don't Come Easy" was one of my favourites, and he wrote a lot of his own stuff! He did work many times with George Harrison (who played lead guitar on that very song I think)! But when you're free of a band you've been with for yonks it gives you carte blanche to do your own thing, perhaps trying different styles of music, which includes using other musicians who are available and living in your neck of the woods, and more importantly, appropriate people for the project you're working on! Otherwise everything they'd done since the split would have sounded just like imitations of The Beatles.

At school we used to have pointless arguments over who was the best drummer (Ginger Baker always seemed to come out No 1), the best guitar player (Hendrix, Townsend, Page, Peter Green, Gary Moore or Clapton) but really it's down to personal music tastes. I liked some punk bands and people used to whinge that The Sex Pistols were crap musicians and yet Steve Jones the guitar player came up with some pretty memorable and original riffs, in particular on "Pretty Vacant" and "God Save The Queen". Rory Gallagher as well was a pretty first rate guitar player, but if you don't like his blues style of music you wouldn't rate him at all!

More established bands' guitarists have admitted to stealing riffs from others and the ones that spring to mind are Ritchie Blackmore from Deep Purple and even Hendrix himself. In the 1950s Ricky Nelson had a hit called "Summertime" and years later Blackmore used the bass line as the main lead riff of "Black Night", but earlier Hendrix had nicked the lead guitar part for "Hey Joe"! Nirvana's guitar riff in the song "Come As You Are" is pinched from an early 80s Killing Joke track, and Chicago's big hit "25 or 6 to 4" was a direct steal of a Jimmy Page Led Zeppelin song. SRV has a fantastic song called "Commit A Crime" and it's exactly the same as Howlin' Wolf's "Smokestack Lighting" but with different lyrics, and "Smokestack Lightning" incidently was often covered in their early days by The Rolling Stones! At last, I'm back on to the topic!

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

Rob Compton

Ah but Chicago were capable of much more than that one song, which they always seem to be remembered for. Anyway, that's another story!

rgds
Rob

samkydd

Their lead singer's last words were "It's okay it isn't loaded!"

"...the chairman of Littlewoods stores made a Keynote speech!"

ollie

Threep, the chap you quoted in my opinion (see i'm gettin drawn in) dosn't know what he is talking about,there is nothing wrong in having facility(it is not a crime) the more technique a musician has at his/her dissposal, helps to interperate musical ideas,that said you have to have the harmonic knowledge to back it up. Spontaneous improvisation is the purist form of composition,but it dosn't always come off,and i'm not talking about an eight bar solo in the context of a song,some thing less limited,to develop motiffs and ideas and expand on them.

I like David Gilmour too,never i have i heard a guitarist do SO much with so little pentatonic/dorian.

cheers Ollie.

"Bullseye !!"

ollie

"Rory Gallagher as well was a pretty first rate guitar player, but if you don't like his blues style of music you wouldn't rate him at all!"

I agree Sam this is the problem,you just cant win,sorry to bring marky b in on it but i remember him saying in a post he dislikes jazz,so it dosn't matter if you are charlie parker,john coltrane,miles davis all roled in to one and spent your whole life studying, improving, progressing,your on a hiding to nothing.

I dissagree about bad musicianship tho' you have to differentiate between song writing and guitar(or other instrument) playing, and even if you do come up with a cool riff it dosn't mean you are a good player.

cheers Ollie.

"Bullseye !!"

ollie

It would be interesting to hear Jeffs comments considering his background.

cheers Ollie.

"Bullseye !!"

DB7

Page too I seem to recall for Whole Lotta Love.



Can't stand the 5 minute solo in spandex whilst standing on my head guitarest's and tend to rate them on ability to actually create something on the aforementioned instrument. There's some like Paranoid, Sweet Child O Mine and Back in Black that you recognise after only a few bars.

foha80

'Does anyone really know what time it is'-A long time favourite.


Terry

penfold

Sorry to be equally pedantic but....please, take another look at that section of my post;

I recommended the album for a general idea of what Martin Lamble (And Fairport for that matter) was capable of....but then added his two actual best performances were recorded elsewhere....the A Sailors Life on Unhalfbricking is great, but, as I said, try finding Thompson's Watching The Dark for the truly incredible alternate take...and I specified that Suzanne is on Heydays, the Peel sessions album - it was never released before Hutchings sneaked it out on a cassette 'bootleg' in about 1976. And the link is to the CD remastered issue of the correct album, (just peel off the sticker and you have the original UK cover) - as opposed to that of the 'Introduction to' retrospective of the same name, which came out about three years ago, and which has a photo from the Liege and Lief recording session, at Farley Chamberlayne, on the front.

Glad you like the album though!!!

Bit of a Bay Window, what??