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Old 06-07-2008, 09:43 PM
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Why not, I'm sure the only loss to their parents would be the Child Benefit entitlement!

The more I travel around the world the more I realise that we're in serious trouble in the UK. I was in Majorca last week and staying in a tiny resort where not many Brits go (not enough burger and chips joints and no karaoke bars) and the only time I came across British was when a hired boat pulled up, and the six or seven fat white Ingerlish male occupants proceeded to show off their tribal instincts and behave like idiots (and this was ten in the morning).

The people around collectively sighed as if to say "Oh no, not the English!" as the party disembarked noisily to display their total lack of respect and manners as they farted and belched their way to the nearest bar, making animal like grunts and vocal noises and saying boring and corny things like "Don't mention the war!"."

Although a rather petty example of why we are the most hated race in the known universe, I cringed with embarassment and wondered how we ever came to this.

I used to think that we should stand up and fight to get our country back on track, but now I'm not even bothered any more. I will probably move to France or Spain like many others, and leave the UK to its own devices.

The disease has spread too quickly to cure now, and what started out as a few boils on the backside has now turned into a pus filled tumour that cannot be cut out without killing the patient. You could blame the government, but lack of parental control has been around since the 70s so subsequent generations have failed to train, educate or instill any sort of discipline or self-respect in their offspring, and the delinquents of the 60s and 70s are now the grandparents of the lawless tossers we have to put up with today.
I'm afraid I agree with all of this. This country will end up, as all country's do, getting exactly what it deserves.........

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Old 06-07-2008, 10:34 PM
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Is it true a big gangland boss has put out a contract on the killers of Ben Kinsella?
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thats what happens when people lose faith in the law sadly .one things for sure i bet the killers are a lot more worried about that than the police catching up with them ! and i hope theyre really worried as well !
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:54 AM
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thats what happens when people lose faith in the law sadly .one things for sure i bet the killers are a lot more worried about that than the police catching up with them ! and i hope theyre really worried as well !
And no doubt the police will use all the resources at their disposal to catch aforementioned would-be contract killers and then moan that there aren't enough policemen available for patrolling the streets!

What's more alarming is that if it's a known gangland boss offering rewards why isn't he in prison for being a known gangland boss? Or is he some luvvable Ray Winstone type Cockerney rogue who does a bit of this n' that and The Filth turn a blind eye because he gets them tickets for Arsenal home games, and he keeps the streets safe near his dear ole' Mum's tower block?
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What's more alarming is that if it's a known gangland boss offering rewards why isn't he in prison for being a known gangland boss?
If it's true, he probably is in prison!

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Old 07-07-2008, 08:51 AM
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If it's true, he probably is in prison!

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Even if he is a 'known gangland boss' they may not have enough evidence to arrest him. The Krays and their activities were known to the police for years before they were finally convicted.
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:29 AM
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Even if he is a 'known gangland boss' they may not have enough evidence to arrest him. The Krays and their activities were known to the police for years before they were finally convicted.
The Krays did, apparently, keep a lot of petty crime off of the streets and tried to 'steer' a lot of wayward kids in the right direction - probably did a lot of the police's work for them as it was in those days.
After he was imprisoned, didn't Reggie Kray keep the 'Empire' going from inside? And Ronnie's tailor and barber visit him regularly in Broadmoor?

I think that the police like to get as much evidence against suspected 'gangland bosses' as possible; firstly because they have more chances of a conviction and, secondly, to keep them in for as long as possible.

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i just hope the toerags who took a young lads life away in an argument over nothing are really worried sick of the "mafia " getting hold of them ! he who lives by the sword,dies by the sword . serves them right !
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The Krays did, apparently, keep a lot of petty crime off of the streets and tried to 'steer' a lot of wayward kids in the right direction - probably did a lot of the police's work for them as it was in those days.
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What a pair of nice boys they must have been .... not! They were a pair of violent thugs who got what they deserved.
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What a pair of nice boys they must have been .... not! They were a pair of violent thugs who got what they deserved.
I wasn't sticking up for them! I was merely repeating what has been said about them - please don't shoot the messenger!

I was really trying to get across the fact that they seemed able to do 'business as usual' from the inside.

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Old 07-07-2008, 01:42 PM
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I agree - 'gangsters' are vile. There is a lot of respect given to people like that where I used to live - but they really are no different to the modern age gangs - the same factors count: 'respect' and status.

I haven't joined in to this discussion because I haven't had a chance to read through properly..

I worry about the 'chav' description because it really does label a rather large group of people who are capable of the full range of behaviour. I grew up amongst 'chavs' and could quite easily have been one had I not taken an interest in a few things, been reasonably intelligent and able to climb out..but I think it is easy for people to forget that if you are living in that environment and the rest of society rejects you instantly because of your background..where else have you got to turn? I think we are ghettoising people by labelling them and not giving them a chance.

They are still all individuals..and human beings - isn't it better to lead the way than just condemn them and laugh at them?

There have been some rather fine criminals from all walks in life - Lord Lucan anyone?
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I wasn't sticking up for them! I was merely repeating what has been said about them - please don't shoot the messenger!
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I wasn't having a go (as we sarf Londoners say) either!Dame Starry

Have you seen 'The Krays?'

It was made with a certain amount of sympathy for them - but doesn't leave you in any doubt as to what they were capable of.

Even better though is to read up on some of the eye witness accounts.
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There have been some rather fine criminals from all walks in life - Lord Lucan anyone?
Ah - but nothing has ever really been proven beyond reasonable doubt, has it?
I have often wondered whether, had he stayed around, Lucky could have been convicted on what they had. I must read up on that one again.

There actually was, once, a belief that there WAS a 'criminal class' - until it became apparent that the upper classes, including doctors, were murdering for money. Doctors, of course, had access to poisons and, in those days, could make out the death certificates themselves.

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News article recommending banning the word 'Chav'.......

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