Munich

[Dadwasinflame]

Cracking Film about the 1972 Munich olympic Massacre in which the Israeli team is murdered,great film about a Dark secert where it fair to say the Germans did Not come out very well with their bad handling of the whole affair





on tonight on BEEB 2 1045

[batman]

Excellent film ... highly recommended.

[Steve Crook]

name='Dadwasinflame' date='10 July 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1278797525' post='450024']

Cracking Film about the 1972 Munich olympic Massacre in which the Israeli team is murdered,great film about a Dark secert where it fair to say the Germans did Not come out very well with their bad handling of the whole affair





on tonight on BEEB 2 1045

Check out Kevin Macdonald's Oscar winning documentary One Day in September (1999).

That shows real footage from Munich in '72 with such gems as the German police marksmen going up onto the roof of adjacent buildings disguised as athletes in track-suits - but still wearing body armour and coal scuttle helmets



They were also shown on the TV news - and the terrorists were watching the TV



But more seriously, the documentary also interviews a lot of the people who took part in events there, including the one surviving terrorist.



Steve

[Moor Larkin]

name='Steve Crook' date='10 July 2010 - 10:44 PM' timestamp='1278798262' post='450032']They were also shown on the TV news - and the terrorists were watching the TV

This happened in the Mumbai attacks a year or so back, where it went even further and the terrorist gunmen were receiving a commentary on their success and progress from their masters, who were watching their progress on Live News feeds. I think at one point the gunmen were even told which wing of the hotel the police were attempting entry to combat them.

[Marky B]

name='batman' date='10 July 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1278797567' post='450025']

Excellent film ... highly recommended.

Agreed. Even being a Jew,the bearded one displays both sides of the Jewish and Arab argument

and also shows his "what is he going to do next" style of film making.

Ta Ta

Marky B

[Dadwasinflame]

name='Steve Crook' date='10 July 2010 - 10:44 PM' timestamp='1278798262' post='450032']

Check out Kevin Macdonald's Oscar winning documentary One Day in September (1999).

That shows real footage from Munich in '72 with such gems as the German police marksmen going up onto the roof of adjacent buildings disguised as athletes in track-suits - but still wearing body armour and coal scuttle helmets



They were also shown on the TV news - and the terrorists were watching the TV



But more seriously, the documentary also interviews a lot of the people who took part in events there, including the one surviving terrorist.



Steve

Yeah i have seen that and read the book, which is much better i have to say,

Going back to the op, last nights film seemed to losde the plot a bit when, even though it was supposed to be about

the Munich Massacre but ended up going right through the Isreali & Plo war which i take it was not really about

Munich massacre but genreal Middle eastern war



Didnt the very End of the film upset some of the 9/11 Survivors when it showed them right at the End with the New York skyline behind them, and also as this is supposed to be set in 72, i very much doubt many of the Skyscapers were bulit

Or was Spielberg just trying to make a point ??

[Steve Crook]

name='Dadwasinflame' date='11 July 2010 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1278849956' post='450241']

Going back to the op, last nights film seemed to losde the plot a bit when, even though it was supposed to be about the Munich Massacre but ended up going right through the Isreali & Plo war which i take it was not really about Munich massacre but genreal Middle eastern war

They said in the film, it was about revenge and to show people that "You don't f*ck with the Israelis". Even when they committing illegal acts and are killing the wrong people then they're still in the right

Didnt the very End of the film upset some of the 9/11 Survivors when it showed them right at the End with the New York skyline behind them, and also as this is supposed to be set in 72, i very much doubt many of the Skyscapers were bulit Or was Spielberg just trying to make a point ??

There were a lot of skyscrapers in NYC in 1972. The World Trade Centre buildings were still being built in 1972 (Tower 2 was completed in 1973).



Do you really think the survivors or relatives of those killed are such sensitive souls that they can't bear to see any sight of the towers? That's not very complimentary to them. Most people are a bit stronger than that.



Steve

[Moor Larkin]

name='Steve Crook' date='11 July 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1278885749' post='450574']Do you really think the survivors or relatives of those killed are such sensitive souls that they can't bear to see any sight of the towers? That's not very complimentary to them. Most people are a bit stronger than that.

When I travelled to Florida in November 2001, I was able to buy a *souvenir mgazine* of the event of 9/11 in a branch of Eckhart. Tribute might be a better word I guess.

[alan gowdy]

I'd not seen the film before it was on television the other night and, as I was too tired to stay all the way through it, I only saw the first 30 minutes or so this time. What I did see resembled some sort of Michael Winner vigilante movie. Two Israeli agents tracking down an old man carrying bags of shopping and 'bravely' emptying the contents of their handguns' magazines into him and later revelling in the recounting of the action left a taste in the mouth as foul as that which accompanied the evil actions of the opposing terrorists.



Could someone please reassure me that the screenplay developed in a more mature and responsible way thereafter?

[zettel45]

name='alan gowdy' date='12 July 2010 - 09:31 AM' timestamp='1278923488' post='450693']Could someone please reassure me that the screenplay developed in a more mature and responsible way thereafter?

Yes, it does. It becomes, amongst other things, about the futility of revenge.



As for sensitivity over 9/11, some people were incredibly over-sensitive about the whole thing. Some people even complained that it was disrespectful to call the second Lord of the Rings movie "The Two Towers". I'm not joking (though the person who responded by saying it was also disrespectful for the US police to keep using 911 as their emergency number was joking).

[Steve Crook]

name='alan gowdy' date='12 July 2010 - 09:31 AM' timestamp='1278923488' post='450693']

I'd not seen the film before it was on television the other night and, as I was too tired to stay all the way through it, I only saw the first 30 minutes or so this time. What I did see resembled some sort of Michael Winner vigilante movie. Two Israeli agents tracking down an old man carrying bags of shopping and 'bravely' emptying the contents of their handguns' magazines into him and later revelling in the recounting of the action left a taste in the mouth as foul as that which accompanied the evil actions of the opposing terrorists.



Could someone please reassure me that the screenplay developed in a more mature and responsible way thereafter?

No, not much. They discussed the morality of it all a few times. But they kept on killing people. Sometimes they even killed the right people and didn't kill too many bystanders



Steve

[Steve Crook]

name='zettel45' date='12 July 2010 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1278926502' post='450714']

As for sensitivity over 9/11, some people were incredibly over-sensitive about the whole thing. Some people even complained that it was disrespectful to call the second Lord of the Rings movie "The Two Towers". I'm not joking (though the person who responded by saying it was also disrespectful for the US police to keep using 911 as their emergency number was joking).

There are always some who claim such over-sensitivity. Usually on behalf of others, or on behalf of what they think that others might be feeling



Steve

[christoph404]

Going back to Mossad's murderous campaign in Europe after the Munich Olympics, several Mossad agents came a cropper in Norway in 1973 after murdering an Algerian waiter in public in front of his pregnant wife. It was later found that he had no connection with terrorism but had the misfortune to be a striking likeness to an individual on Mossad's hit list, a case of mistaken identity. Several agents were caught as they tried to leave the country ,went on trial and were sent to prison in Norway, Israel denied they were part of a hit squad or Mossad agents. More currently there are reports of arrests in Poland and extradition proceedings by Dubai to have supect(s) returned there to account for the recent assassination.

[alan gowdy]

I'm probably a soppy old idealist but it has always struck me as deeply saddening that after centuries of persection at the hands of despots and anti-semitic populations, the Jews in Israel behave so badly towards Palestinians in such as Gaza. They of all people should be sensitive to the suffering of others and not be so inclined to repeat the sins of the past.

[Steve Crook]

name='alan gowdy' date='13 July 2010 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1279044480' post='451488']

I'm probably a soppy old idealist but it has always struck me as deeply saddening that after centuries of persection at the hands of despots and anti-semitic populations, the Jews in Israel behave so badly towards Palestinians in such as Gaza. They of all people should be sensitive to the suffering of others and not be so inclined to repeat the sins of the past.

But after all those years of persecution and genocide, they're now experts at it



Steve