Apple Warns Against Vista.

[David Brent]

Apple has warned Windows iTunes users not to rush to upgrade to the Vista operating system saying compatability issues could prevent iTunes from working properly.

Apple advised that music purchased from its iTunes store may not play on a Vista PC and that certain iPods may not be able to change settings or update software.

Contact and calendar information would not sync between iPod and Vista and there was a risk that an iPod could be corrupted during ejection.



Apple recommend that iTunes users of Windows wait for the next release of iTunes software, due in the next few weeks, before switching to Vista.



Dave.

[ChristineCB]

You'd think they'd offer something more than a whiner's complaint, like "Wait for 2Mb and 4Mb memory sticks to hit the market with motherboard chipsets to match!" That's the really good reason to not make the change...



The NVidia Video Driver Warnings are far more alarming, although Microsoft has continually made last-minute changes from their last Beta to the Delivered OS which have always injured at least one vendor's drivers. I don't know why any vendor or support segment should ever be surprised that some blackhole doesn't appear.

[sippog]

I don't know why any vendor or support segment should ever be surprised that some blackhole doesn't appear.

I don't know why anyone should be surprised that Microsoft are once again rushing some poorly developed and under tested product onto the market in order to make a quick buck . . .

[DB7]

Best for Windows users to stick with XP for now as driver support for Vista isn't widespread yet. Ideally I'd wait for Vista SP1.

[MarkG]

Indeed. I don't understand why anyone installs a new Microsoft operating system before SP1 unless they're forced to (e.g. they're developing software for it).

[ChristineCB]

Three weeks ago, we got in a new server-box that supported 8Gb of RAM and, rather than using the low-end graphics card (after all, it's a server!), I got to play with it with a high-end graphics card (well, 256Mb) and Vista looks SO GOOD.



Of course, Looking Good and Performing Good are two different things - I'm not too certain why folks will trade cutely shaded menus and new screen-savers for thousands of dollars. Considering this box is about six times the price of most every other PC we have, and performs - oh, uh, twice as good? OK, not quite that much - it's hard to say this is a good deal. Still, it's what the customer wants!!



I loaded up our latest version of Bryce (for animation rendering) and the 43-minute job (on a P4-3.0mz with 2Gb RAM machine) runs in only 33 minutes on a true dual-core P4 at 2.66 and 8Gb. Oh yeah, baby. REALLY screamin'. Jeepers - the programmers hardly have time for a second milkshake during those rendering lunchbreaks! whooo hooo.



Yawn. I'll wait for the 4Gb RAM sticks to show up, I think. By that time, the apps should be showing up, too.

[David Brent]

name='ChristineCB']Three weeks ago, we got in a new server-box that supported 8Gb of RAM and, rather than using the low-end graphics card (after all, it's a server!), I got to play with it with a high-end graphics card (well, 256Mb) and Vista looks SO GOOD.



Of course, Looking Good and Performing Good are two different things - I'm not too certain why folks will trade cutely shaded menus and new screen-savers for thousands of dollars. Considering this box is about six times the price of most every other PC we have, and performs - oh, uh, twice as good? OK, not quite that much - it's hard to say this is a good deal. Still, it's what the customer wants!!



I loaded up our latest version of Bryce (for animation rendering) and the 43-minute job (on a P4-3.0mz with 2Gb RAM machine) runs in only 33 minutes on a true dual-core P4 at 2.66 and 8Gb. Oh yeah, baby. REALLY screamin'. Jeepers - the programmers hardly have time for a second milkshake during those rendering lunchbreaks! whooo hooo.



Yawn. I'll wait for the 4Gb RAM sticks to show up, I think. By that time, the apps should be showing up, too.

Que?

Me no understand de lingo.



Dave.

[spinalman]

name='David Brent']Que?

Me no understand de lingo.



Dave.

It's the language of PC users....mac users just get on with doing things with their computers :



Microsoft used to have a copyline: "where do you want to go today?"

I think the retort that was most appropriate was Nike's "Just do it!"

[Steve Crook]

name='ChristineCB']Three weeks ago, we got in a new server-box that supported 8Gb of RAM and, rather than using the low-end graphics card (after all, it's a server!), I got to play with it with a high-end graphics card (well, 256Mb) and Vista looks SO GOOD.



Of course, Looking Good and Performing Good are two different things - I'm not too certain why folks will trade cutely shaded menus and new screen-savers for thousands of dollars. Considering this box is about six times the price of most every other PC we have, and performs - oh, uh, twice as good? OK, not quite that much - it's hard to say this is a good deal. Still, it's what the customer wants!!



I loaded up our latest version of Bryce (for animation rendering) and the 43-minute job (on a P4-3.0mz with 2Gb RAM machine) runs in only 33 minutes on a true dual-core P4 at 2.66 and 8Gb. Oh yeah, baby. REALLY screamin'. Jeepers - the programmers hardly have time for a second milkshake during those rendering lunchbreaks! whooo hooo.



Yawn. I'll wait for the 4Gb RAM sticks to show up, I think. By that time, the apps should be showing up, too.

If you removed all the Micro$oft stuff from that system it could be quite fast

You could then load in a much better/faster operating system like Linux.

But I suppose all the applications for things like rendering have only been written for Windoze / Vista



Steve

[MarkG]

High-end 3D apps tend to run on Linux as well as Windows and maybe Mac, but the low-end ones are typically Windows-only.

[ChristineCB]

Actually, I could only play with the rendering apps because I had to return it to Linux Servitude. Ten thousand Driver-Development hours later, it should run everything the P2 Linux servers do. Oh yes, Linux is SO great! "This is the year of Unix/Linux!" (The Unix/Linux mantra since, oh, 1990...cough cough)



But I have strong negative feelings when OS's spend ANY energy on the Looks Department, although I understand memory segments can be used for faster visuals when run thru the OS rather than being App-Calls only. Still, I doubt the overall benefit by OS Control of App Only uses. Highways are filled with specific-use vehicles. And I know every consumer has benefited at least once from a product carried on 18-wheeler, yet that is no reason why every consumer must drive and buy 18-wheelers.



And that's what I feel OS's are doing these days. Bigger, fatter, more unwieldy than ever, all the while constantly proclaiming "less administration time than ever".

[Steve Crook]

name='ChristineCB']Actually, I could only play with the rendering apps because I had to return it to Linux Servitude. Ten thousand Driver-Development hours later, it should run everything the P2 Linux servers do. Oh yes, Linux is SO great! "This is the year of Unix/Linux!" (The Unix/Linux mantra since, oh, 1990...)

I thought people had been saying it for much longer than that



Steve

[Nick Dando]

Bryce was originally a Mac only product, and was billed as a 3-D landscape generator, back in the days of Kai's Power Tools. I've still got my version 1 discs kicking around somewhere. I'm sure the rendering would be a bit faster than on my old PowerBook 1400!



Nick

[spinalman]

name='ChristineCB']

But I have strong negative feelings when OS's spend ANY energy on the Looks Department, although I understand memory segments can be used for faster visuals when run thru the OS rather than being App-Calls only. Still, I doubt the overall benefit by OS Control of App Only uses.

I don't know anything about all that - just give me a reliable computer that lets me do things without worrying about why it does things....and that is why today i laughed out loud when i had to use a windows machine for the first time in 8 years. It was a top of range laptop i was told - whoo hoo! I replied. It was like going to a 3rd world country.



The whole World is 5 years behind because of the business nounce of Bill Gates all those years ago.

[Steve Crook]

name='spinalman']I don't know anything about all that - just give me a reliable computer that lets me do things without worrying about why it does things....and that is why today i laughed out loud when i had to use a windows machine for the first time in 8 years. It was a top of range laptop i was told - whoo hoo! I replied. It was like going to a 3rd world country.



The whole World is 5 years behind because of the business nounce of Bill Gates all those years ago.

One day he'll manage to make a real multi-tasking system

Of course, by then, everyone else will have moved on to something like Heinlein's Multivac.

Gates & Micro$oft really are a case of marketing hype winning over available technology. The vast majority of computer users have no idea how good this can be if only they could kick the Micro$oft habit.



Micro$oft didn't invent windows based systems. They weren't the first and they're far from being the best.



Steve