Is there any examples of how Marilyn Monroe doesn't fit in with the male gaze, in Mulveys femanist film theory?
I don't understand the question!
a) Have to find one of her films directed by a woman (I don't think there were any)
b) Find responses by women to how they perceived Marilyn Monroe (try Camille Paglia)
c) Or argue that Mulvey's theory is solipsistic (i.e. dominance of men in culture means that she can argue all responses to Marilyn are through the prism of the male gaze, therefore there can be no counter argument, is just one example) and simplistic, e.g. how do gay males respond to Marilyn, to what extent is Marilyn perceived as a 'star' (ie. fetishised and/or reified) and does this perception change depending on whether the star is male or female?
Wiki tells me that Laura Mulvey (born 1941) is a British feminist film theorist, educated at St Hilda's College and currently professor of film and media studies at Birkbeck, University of London.Originally Posted by 21could
She co-wrote and co-directed the following with With Peter Wollen, her husband—
Penthesilea: Queen of the Amazons (1974),
Riddles of the Sphinx (1977 - perhaps their most influential film),
Crystal Gazing (1982),
Frida Kahlo and Tina Modotti (1982),
The Bad Sister.
Disgraced Monuments, which she co-directed with Mark Lewis.
Cheers Mark, she must be a laugh a minute.
Neither have I, I didn't mean Laura was 'flaunting it', goodness no, she seems to be against that sort of thing, I was thinking more of the 'sex kitten' type should feel free to flaunt it if they want to without being made to feel naughty by these feminists, not that I know much about feminists, I don't think I want to, Germaine Greer never has a good word to say about the male of the species when I've seen her on TV or read an article.
2Icould didn't make a huge effort with his/her question, so it should be no surprise that people aren't making a huge effort to address the question in their responses (agutterfan excepted).
But why all the anti-feminist nudging here? I mean, (without wishing to offend my esteemed colleagues on these excellent boards) why shouldn't a feminist theorist and film-maker be witty and fun in company? What work of hers specifically looks boring? And Germaine Greer has had plenty good to say about men. She loves men. And I've always found her a good guest on chat shows or wherever she crops up. And Mulvey is married too, so presumably she thinks men are OK. Most of the women I know are feminists. I would think it weird to find a woman who wasn't, on some level.
Two things about Marilyn Monroe:
Boy George referred to her as "a glorified transvestite" which is a meaningless but somehow interesting quote that Mulvey might like. If s/he exists.
She is, in my opinion, one of the greatest comic actors in film. Her expressions, her timing, her naturalness in front of the camera ... she is without doubt one of my favourite actors/actresses - consistently brilliant in every film she made, whatever behind the scenes problems she may have caused. Discussion of Monroe always (understandably) centres around her uniquely powerful sexuality, but we should never lose sight of the fact that she was just about as good as comedy actors get.
Blimey - this is me in the morning after toast and tea - can you imagine how ranty and boring I'm going to be over Christmas with whiskey and relatives. Wish them luck.
There was an episode of Father Ted last night in which the milkman of Craggy Island mistook Mrs Doyle for Marilyn Monroe .
Bus Stop, was the role in which she down-played her sexuality to brilliantly portray a struggling showgirl - she managed to sing Black Magic just slightly off-key (very difficult) but was determined to fulfill her dreams.
Her dramatic acting talents were never given the films she deserved. She gave an extraordinarily fine performance her only major Hitchcockian style thriller, Niagara - I thought she would have made a fabulous Hitchcock blonde. Imagine Marilyn in the shower scene in Psycho or opposite Cary Grant for a second time in North by Northwest. Hitch was on her short-list of favourite directors.
She desperately wanted the part of Cleopatra and was even photographed dressed and made-up in the role - and of course, looked stunning. But the studios and press refused to take her seriously.
Photographed by Richard Avedon
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I know I'm in the minority but I was never much of a fan of Marilyn Monroe and being a big fan of Hitchcock movies I breathe a sigh of relief she was never cast in any. I don't think Hitch would have put up with her anyway.
Although I have looked upon Marilyn, as most men have, as a very attractive woman. But irrespective of gender, she was still a flesh and blood human being. And sometimes this has been overlooked. Particularly by the media, after she lost her baby.