Gilden Road, NW5 - gone, but not forgotten

[doebag]

name='Mark O']http://www.hipkiss.org/data/maps/bar...0_1516_600.jpg



Here's a link to an old map of the area, click over the Kentish town area and the streets that were are there, just to the right/below of the former Haverstock Hill Rail Station.



Grafton Road was once Carlton Road, Gilden Road is unmarked but I assume one of the two former streets below Vicars Road which still stands....



I've become totally intrigued by all this as well!.........had a look at the 'Saint' pics of the Streets, I'll see whats left tomorrow

MarkO, the map you link to is too early for the 1960's . It is pre 1932 at least, as what is now 'Arsenal' tube station is still called 'Gillespie Road'. Judging by the names on the main railway lines, it is even pre-grouping [1923] as the line out of Kings Cross is still called 'Great Northern Railway'

My 1968 Bartholemews Atlas shows that 'your' Carlton Road has been renamed Grafton Road for all it's length, and the road immediately to the west is spelt Carltoun Street, on yours it is Carlton Street. Possibly a typo, but the index in my book uses the 'OU' spelling as well.It is also this spelling on several maps I have up to the early/mid 1970's

[doebag]

Having visited the website address in the link, the scan is from a 1922 map.

[Mark O]

name='doebag']MarkO, the map you link to is too early for the 1960's . It is pre 1932 at least, as what is now 'Arsenal' tube station is still called 'Gillespie Road'. Judging by the names on the main railway lines, it is even pre-grouping [1923] as the line out of Kings Cross is still called 'Great Northern Railway'

My 1968 Bartholemews Atlas shows that 'your' Carlton Road has been renamed Grafton Road for all it's length, and the road immediately to the west is spelt Carltoun Street, on yours it is Carlton Street. Possibly a typo, but the index in my book uses the 'OU' spelling as well.It is also this spelling on several maps I have up to the early/mid 1970's

It is, the thing is all the buildings and street layout of the specific area in question would be the same in the 1920's as they are on 'The Saint' pics from the early sixties, the buildings look turn of the 20th century to me, I did take note of the street name changes, some pics will be forthcoming!

[Anthony McKay]

My guess would be that the houses seen at the end of Gilden Road are some of the houses on Grafton Road, South of Cress Field Close.

[Anthony McKay]

Spooky - I've just noticed a set of net curtains twitching on the street!

[Mark O]

name='Anthony McKay']My guess would be that the houses seen at the end of Gilden Road are some of the houses on Grafton Road, South of Cress Field Close.

A bit difficult to tell if this is still the same Pub as pictured above, the Chimney is an add on and there's been some other cosmetic changes, I'm standing in Queens Crescent looking toward Grafton Road......









Looking south along Grafton Road toward the junction with Queens Crescent........







Looking north along Grafton Road, any trace of Gilden Road itself has long since gone, a 60's housing estate is there now.......







Junction of Grafton Road and Vicars Road........







Where Gilden Road once stood........

[Anthony McKay]

Thanks Mark,



The photographs are excellent.



I've put together an image to show where Gilden Road was to save any more confusion.







The London City Mission seen in the episode is probably on the Grafton Road/Gilden Road junction although the Grafton Road/Queens Crescent pub certainly came out of the same pattern book - it looks like the city planners though one pub per 100 people was a good idea!



There are too many differences in the details of the pub for it to be the same one as featured in the episode although the terrace opposite is identical. A lot of drunks would have staggered into the wrong houses!

[Mark O]

name='Anthony McKay']Thanks Mark,



The photographs are excellent.







The London City Mission seen in the episode is probably on the Grafton Road/Gilden Road junction although the Grafton Road/Queens Crescent pub certainly came out of the same pattern book - it looks like the city planners though one pub per 100 people was a good idea!



There are too many differences in the details of the pub for it to be the same one as featured in the episode although the terrace opposite is identical. A lot of drunks would have staggered into the wrong houses!

It's a pleasure Anthony!.......at one time in parts of London there was almost a Pub on every corner!, but it's obvious the original Pub featured has been demolished.



I intended to go to Ingram Avenue also to take some 'now' pics, but it started to Rain and didn't stop!.......if there's any other London locations you're interested in I'll be more than happy to take some pics next time I'm on one of my jaunts

[Anthony McKay]

Thanks for the offer Mark.



I tend to keep found locations on my 'Location Spotting' pages just in case someone with a camera is able to send in a photo.



For instance Location Spotting Page 22 has many identified locations still featured, mainly to act as clues to other locations that might be close by, but also to encourage folks to send in thier snaps. I've found, that with the later b&w Saints, the crew were not too adventurous about finding new places to film.

[MickO]

I lived in Dale Road as a child between 1962-1971.
Dale Road run parallel to Gilden Rd and Vicars Rd - shops in Gilden included James Dairy on the corner of Grafton Rd, Pillars sweet shop and a bakers on the Allcroft Rd end. Also recall a grocer half way down with milk and cigarette machines outside.
My child minder was in Gilden Road and I recall a boarded up pub, think may have been called The Freemasons Tavern ..........at 37 Hanover St (think this road was previously called going by old maps)
As a child there always seemed to be filming in the area, only now after all the years I'm finding out, thanks to the internet.
I particularly remember 3 filming sessions at the top of Gilden Rd/Allcroft Rd end.
There is a scene from Gideon's Way showing Anthony Quayle dropping off someone at the end of Dale Rd nr my house and a scene from Operation Crossbow filmed at the top of Dale Rd by St Martin's Church and a pub, so my older brother informs me, I don't remember, still in nappies.
Would be great to see any pics or footage from these programmes.
There were splendid Victorian estates that stretched from Queens Crescent, to Gospel Oak to St Dominics Priory and Chalk Farm before mass redevelopment. Schools, large houses, pubs all demolished, nothing short of criminal Camden Council - just look at what went up instead.
Hope you find this useful.
Happy Memories.

[Anthony McKay]

Not GIDEON's WAY but...

STRANGE REPORT: Report 0649 SKELETON: 'Let Sleeping Heroes Lie' (Peter Medak: August/September 1968)
Ham (KazGaras) and Strange (Anthony Quayle) leave Henry Steven’s Locksmiths in Strange’s Taxi after having a copy of the key made.(corner of Grafton Road and Inkerman Road). After picking up a list of the locations using the special key Strange sets off in his taxi. As he leaves, he is observed by James (Hugh Burden) who sends a car to follow him. He then calls a taxi for himself (corner of Grafton Road and Holmes Road ).
(Identified by Wyn Roberts, April 2005)

[cornershop15]

Grafton Road features in this still, from the Strange Report image gallery:

Taken during the shooting of the episode SKELETON: Let Sleeping Heroes Lie in 1968. Anthony Quayle is on the left.

Finding the picture inspired me to look for scenes that were filmed in that vicinity. I hope these will be of interest:

Hugh Burden is just entering the frame and about to hail the taxi coming through the tunnel (not Anthony Quayle's).

As described in the previous post, and the Avengerland website, this is the corner of Grafton Road and Inkerman Road:

The Keymaker, as he was billed, was played by Erik Chitty, just before his first appearance as Mr. Smith in Please Sir!.

[tavistock]

The building on the corner of Grafton Road and Athlone Street was used on a recent British film........except I can't remember the title!! My fuddled memory seems to think the scene is a young researcher(?) is having an affair with an older writer/lecturer.

[tavistock]

That building on Grafton Rd/Athlone St was used in the film Venus starring Peter O'Toole (took me 2 months to remember that!).