Zulu (1964) - Britmovie - British Film Forum

Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum Britmovie - British Film Forum
Home Page Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

 »   Britmovie - British Film Forum » Cinema » Your Favourite British Films

Notices

Your Favourite British Films Name your favourite British film or make a case for an underrated classic.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-08-2006, 09:06 AM
  post #1
DB7
DB7 is blinkin freezin
Administrator
 
DB7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Shrops
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,096
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (10)
Default Zulu (1964)

Why I can't get enough of Zulu

As part of its My Favourite Films season, the Curzon Soho cinema in London is offering well-known names the chance to introduce a screening of a movie they love. This Sunday, singer-songwriter Richard Hawley introduces the 1964 film Zulu

Friday August 4, 2006
The Guardian

Zulu has become one of my favourites over the years, not only for the stunning cinematography (Stephen Dade), directing (Cy Endfield), screenplay (John Prebble, Cy Endfield), acting the cast, including Michael Caine (below), is awesome and soundtrack (John Barry) but for the warning it gives us about the dangers of colonialism. The world is facing major problems stemming in part from the actions of the modern colonialists namely America, Britain and their allies in Iraq while the rest of the world is dragged along against their will. I see a strong parallel between the events surrounding Endfield's film (shot in 1964) and current world events.

In January 1879, the British army suffered one of its worst defeats when Zulu forces massacred 1,500 troops at Isandlhwana. In the wake of the main battle, a Zulu force numbering in excess of 4,000 warriors advanced on a British hospital and supply-dump guarded by 139 Welsh infantrymen. The film concentrates on the bloody 12-hour battle for Rorke's Drift, which resulted in an unprecedented haul of 11 Victoria Crosses. While taking some liberties with history, Zulu follows the facts fairly closely, and precisely matches the identities of the VC winners. Each man has a different military background and they are immediately in conflict about preparation for the attack. They must somehow find a way to survive with no help in sight. Zulu is one of the great achievements in modern cinema, and blows away the awful blockbusters that are made today by modern (mainly American) film producers. It is a lesson in how to make a great film, and how not to be too arrogant in our decisions to go to war with "lesser" nations. Will we be as lucky as the men who fought at Rorke's Drift? Time will tell.

DB7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2006, 01:17 PM
  post #2
Steve Crook is cheeky
Moderator
 
Steve Crook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,776
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DB7
While taking some liberties with history, Zulu follows the facts fairly closely, and precisely matches the identities of the VC winners. Each man has a different military background and they are immediately in conflict about preparation for the attack.
Some liberties with history? That's a great understatement :)

There was really no conflict between Chard & Bromhead, that was all invented for the film.

But the biggest liberty (apart from all the other liberties) was with Henry Hook, portraying him as a malingerer and a barrack room lawyer. In fact he was teetotal, a family man and a professional soldier who had served for some time before, and after, the action at Rorke's Drift.

But it's still a cracking film

Steve
Steve Crook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2006, 02:30 PM
  post #3
Stephen Jones has no status.
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: London
Posts: 16
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Yes, as with many historical movies the truth is changed for dramatic effect. For instance, the Zulus did not have guns at the battle. There are some good books about the Zulu Wars."They Fought Like Lions" is a good read.
Stephen Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2006, 05:33 PM
  post #4
Rennie
Rennie has no status. Edit
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
iTrader: ()
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Jones
Yes, as with many historical movies the truth is changed for dramatic effect. For instance, the Zulus did not have guns at the battle. There are some good books about the Zulu Wars."They Fought Like Lions" is a good read.

..............and the Zulis did not depart because of their respect for the British troop's heroism, but because reinforcements were nearing Roukes Drift.

Still a great film though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2006, 09:39 PM
  post #5
bartonbank has no status.
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London
Posts: 66
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

....there were not as many Welsh there as suggested either.
bartonbank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2006, 01:00 AM
  post #6
Steve Crook is cheeky
Moderator
 
Steve Crook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,776
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bartonbank
....there were not as many Welsh there as suggested either.
You mean to tell me that they didn't really sing a made up verse of Men of Harlech that includes lines about "spear points gleaming" that isn't in any other version. And there I was thinking that those Welsh soldiers were so clever to make up an appropriate verse like that on the spot :rolleyes:

Steve
Steve Crook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-08-2006, 08:26 AM
  post #7
Mark Antony has no status.
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Gwynedd
Posts: 30
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Zulu was a great film for entertainment, but it was WAY off the mark in terms of historical accuracy.

To start off with, there was an Otto Wit (Jack Hawkins character) but he had fled Natal before the war broke out. In the film there was no way he had time to get to Rorke's Drift after hearing of Ishandlwahna in the time allowed.

But my biggest gripe was there was no attempt at an explanation of the war. The film gave the impression the British were the defenders, not the aggressors they were. The brave Redcoat against the savage aggressors. Great cinema, but for reality, too many imperialist images and too little attention to the truth.
Mark Antony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-08-2006, 09:00 AM
  post #8
dylan has no status.
Moderator
 
dylan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Posts: 540
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Many myths created by the film are explored here: rorkesdriftvc.com - Popular Myths

The military costumes in ZULU were later used in CARRY ON UP THE KYBER - not alot of people know that.

D.
dylan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-08-2006, 03:36 PM
  post #9
Steve Crook is cheeky
Moderator
 
Steve Crook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,776
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (1)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan
The military costumes in ZULU were later used in CARRY ON UP THE KYBER - not alot of people know that.

D.
And many of the sets (& some of the costumes) from Cleopatra (1963) were used in Carry on Cleo (1964)

Steve
Steve Crook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Wayne68 has no status.
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 10
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Hi
Despite a great deal of shall we say poetic liscence being used on the script I do think it is one of those classic Sunday afternoon movies. However rather than going to sleep on the sofa it is one that definately keeps me awake. Love the role Michael Caine takes on brilliant acting.
Wayne
Wayne68 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-09-2006, 04:53 PM
Moor Larkin is passing the time
Senior Member
 
Moor Larkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: North West Frontier
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,686
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

I went to see Zulu when it was first released at the cinema. It had a huge impact upon me. It was possibly the first time I had seen women's breasts.... moving.

Contrary to much revisionist thinking in the years since, I was left with no sense of the White Man's Dominance. The Zulu warriors were awesome to a schoolboy who never saw black people in real life, and on the odd occasion when he did see them, on TV or in films, they were usually servants.... or singers and dancers. Though historically inaccurate, the fact that the Zulu's left the field of battle from 'respect for the Redcoats' gave them a cachet of intellect that was often denied the 'Negro' of the Sixties...........

Having dealt with the Race question to my own satisfaction; it stands as the most brilliantly made battle movie of all time, bar none. The brave madness of war has never been better filmed. The behaviour of all the actors exemplified that there were no illusions about the insanity of it all. On the other hand, it takes a redundant kind of bravery to stand against 4,000 men, or fling your spear against a Lee-Enfield rifle. It may be redundant but it demands human respect.

I only recently realised that Stanley Baker was the driving force behind this memorial to his Welsh forebears. Therefore I was quite disappointed to read a DVD sleeve which raved about 'Zulu' being Michael Caine's breakthrough role..... and then briefly mentioned that it also 'featured' Stanley Baker.....

[code]http://www.flickr.com/photos/29487363@N02/sets/72157606700675506/code]
Moor Larkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-09-2006, 07:10 PM
Marky B is wishing he could hibernate
Senior Member
 
Marky B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Billingham,Cleveland
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,785
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Talking

Now then,what if Hollywood remade it....
Ta Ta
Marky B

I am special. The heavens always open for me.
Marky B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-09-2006, 06:48 PM
Cuffy has no status.
Senior Member
 
Cuffy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Posts: 182
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
I only recently realised that Stanley Baker was the driving force behind this memorial to his Welsh forebears. Therefore I was quite disappointed to read a DVD sleeve which raved about 'Zulu' being Michael Caine's breakthrough role..... and then briefly mentioned that it also 'featured' Stanley Baker.....
I have the special edition relase of Zulu which has those same sleeve notes. I'm saddened to see that Stanley Baker only gets a token mention.

Whilst I think Michael Caine played a fantastic role, considering that the film was early in his career, I have to agree that Baker should have had due recognition. For me he will always be the star in this one.

I'd hoped to see Zulu a few months back when it was screened at a local arthouse cinema, unfortunately for me it was screened on a Saturday afternoon when I was obliged to attend a work function! Drat - just my luck!!
Cuffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2006, 12:10 PM
716Jones has no status.
Senior Member
 
716Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 182
My Mood:
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Jones View Post
Yes, as with many historical movies the truth is changed for dramatic effect. For instance, the Zulus did not have guns at the battle. There are some good books about the Zulu Wars."They Fought Like Lions" is a good read.
Stephen, the Zulus did have some guns ar Rorkes Drift, although not the Martini Henry rifles shown in the film. They were old muzzle loaders sold to the Zulu by traders and probably weren't in very good condition. Additionally, the Zulus don't seem to have been very good shots although they did inflict casualties. The following is from the report made by Surgeon Major Reynolds VC after the battle which you may find interesting.

We found ourselves quickly surrounded by the enemy with their strong force holding the garden and shrubbery. From all sides but especially the latter places, they poured on us a continuous fire, to which our men replied as quickly as they could reload their rifles.

716Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2006, 09:17 AM
fred kite has no status.
Senior Member
 
fred kite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: aberbargoed
Posts: 141
Country:
iTrader: (0)
Default its stanley bakers film..........

i totaly agree this is sir staley bakers film,he was the driving force behind it..i have copy of a documenrty filmed in 1996,20 years after the death of stanley...michael caine says he was nearly dumped from the film for getting things wrong..but stanley baker insisted he stayed..and has they say the rest is history..:
fred kite is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cy endfield, michael caine, stanley baxter, zulu


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:12 AM.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 1998-2008 BritMovie